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[13:15:20] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> Good Morning/Afternoon
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[13:16:03] <Rick Taylor_web_535> @meetecho - Have you noticed?
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[13:16:26] <Meetecho> Just updated
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[13:16:45] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> Good audio remotely
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[13:32:10] <BEHCET SARIKAYA> Hello Oscar
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[13:34:43] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> I think the notes link is still pointing to CodiMD
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[13:35:24] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> The link on the agenda works fine
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[13:35:45] <Joerg Ott_web_980> yay!
[13:36:07] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-113-dtn
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[13:38:38] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> yes
[13:38:45] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> perfect
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[13:53:15] <Marc Blanchet_web_789> I'm never tired to hear Vint
[13:53:43] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> Vint bring his own cheer leaders
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[13:55:03] <Oscar Garcia_web_173> https://ipnsig.org/home/
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[13:56:16] <Oscar Garcia_web_173> https://ipnsig.org/projects/
[13:56:19] <Stuart Card_web_515> I'd rather not come to the mic to ask this as that takes valuable time, but if any of the chairs wants to relay this question: Would use of the "DTN at home" test net (or another instance using same protocols and code) for terrestrial disaster comms be welcomed?
[13:56:40] <Juliusz Chroboczek_web_590> I'd be interested about disaster comms too :-)
[13:57:21] <Rick Taylor_web_535> Disaster comms is really the "other" use-case.
[13:57:22] <Edward Birrane_web_642> Yes - DTN is being considered for disaster comms.
[13:57:47] <Juliusz Chroboczek_web_590> I'd be grateful for pointers to publications on the subject.
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[13:57:54] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> One of the projects on IPNSIG address the application of DTN for disaster situations
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[13:58:37] <Marc Blanchet_web_789> we demonstrated streaming video over DTN in a CCSDS session many years ago with our implementation ;-)
[13:58:45] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> Other applications are IoT, mobile comm with high disruption, battle field comm
[13:59:28] <BEHCET SARIKAYA> I would like to know if dtn tried QUIC as transport protocol?
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[13:59:47] <Rick Taylor_web_535> Not yet - but it can fit...
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[14:00:03] <Oscar Garcia_web_173> I shared links to IPNSIG home page where you can join and also contact the working groups.
[14:00:20] <BEHCET SARIKAYA> Thanks Rick
[14:00:34] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> Thanks Vinit
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[14:01:48] <Brian Sipos_web_365> @Behcet an indirect way to leverage QUIC would be an HTTP3-based CL which would operate over QUIC transport. As a side effect this could be usable with HTTP1/2.
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[14:02:42] <Ronald in 't Velt_web_617> Define a TAPS CL and be done with it :-)
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[14:03:12] <Rick Taylor_web_535> Absolutely!
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[14:04:08] <Rick Taylor_web_535> We have a TCP Convergance Layer (DTN 'adapter'), we have a UDP CL in progress, and a QUIC CL is an obvious next step
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[14:18:51] <Juliusz Chroboczek_web_590> What's weird about source routing?
[14:19:50] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> The source may not be available
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[14:24:10] <Rick Taylor_web_535> Source routing has always been seen as an oddball in the IETF as it sort defeats routing in some cases.  It was popular for a while, became unpopular, but is coming back into vogue.  Read into that what you wish ;)
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[14:36:41] <Stuart Card_web_702> Although there were successful deployments of DiffServ -- we did one.
[14:38:12] <Edward Birrane_web_642> If there are published experiences detailing limitations with DiffServ please point me to them.
[14:38:31] <Rick Taylor_web_535> The problem with Differv (as I see it) isn't the implementation, it's that it's an honor system
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[14:38:53] <Oscar Garcia_web_173> I need to jump to another meeting. Thank you to the Chairs for the opportunity to show IPNSIG progress with Vint's talk.
[14:38:57] <Rick Taylor_web_535> Within an administrative zone, it works excellently
[14:39:20] <Rick Taylor_web_535> @oscar - Please check my last slides - they are relevant to SANA/IPNSIG
[14:40:32] <Oscar Garcia_web_173> @rick I will email you to get the link. Thank You.
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[14:43:15] <Rick Taylor_web_535> @oscar - https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-113-dtn-on-endpoint-id-schemas/
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[14:59:10] <Ronald in 't Velt_web_617> It isn't called that anymore, is it?
[14:59:13] <Ronald in 't Velt_web_617> Oops
[15:00:33] <Ronald in 't Velt_web_617> New name is too restrictive, though.
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[15:02:24] <Edward Birrane_web_642> Thought is that DTNMA as the informational document is OK. The data models and protocols that implement that architecture may be more expansively named.
[15:02:33] <Edward Birrane_web_642> But we are open to naming suggestions.
[15:03:03] <Rick Taylor_web_535> Especially if there is cross-over with MANET for example
[15:03:10] <Edward Birrane_web_642> Saying "asynchronous" caused confusion - we mean "transport-layer asynchronous requiring autonomy" and others see asynchronous and think "REST-ful interfaces over TCP".
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[15:10:17] <Edward Birrane_web_642> There is no need to make a special case for bulk reports in DTNMA - we would have the same issue with traffic other than reports.
[15:10:43] <Edward Birrane_web_642> Part of management should be able to set policy to handle these cases and reports queued in message should be treated just as other queued messages.
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[15:12:39] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> Is there any ANMS code available we can play with at IPNSIG ?
[15:13:36] <Edward Birrane_web_642> The ANMS team if working to open-source an alpha release shortly. Perhaps April.
[15:13:50] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> Thanks Ed
[15:14:01] <Edward Birrane_web_642> The idea is to gather early users who can both test the system, propose features, and be part of the support community for this.
[15:14:25] <Edward Birrane_web_642> This would be release of spiral 1 of 5 planned development spirals over the next 2 years, so we would have time to gather experiences and react to them.
[15:14:53] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> Is there any doc that talks about what are the requirements to run the system?
[15:15:25] <Edward Birrane_web_642> There are a few, and we can answer specific questions. The system is deployed as a series of docker containers
[15:15:36] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> Got it
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[15:26:02] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> DNS uggghhhh
[15:26:57] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> you can't rely on DNS on the North pole of Mars
[15:27:55] <Ronald in 't Velt_web_617> Non-starter for non-singleton EIDs
[15:29:02] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> isn't out there a "space" IANA ?
[15:29:43] <Joshua Deaton_web_232> Question was going to be for verification the name being proposed to resolve to DNS is dtn://address correct?
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[15:30:05] <Emery Annis_web_868> Do you think the dtn:/ schema, could be extended to support things like named data networking? or would that need a new schema
[15:30:36] <Stuart Card_web_702> I have some thoughts involving HF-ALE ids and DRIP DETs / HIP HHITs (which are IPv6 address compatible IDs, not locators, based on public keys).
[15:30:50] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> Great meeting !!
[15:31:04] <Ronald in 't Velt_web_617> Previous charter said not to touch 4838
[15:31:09] <Stuart Card_web_702> +1 @emery
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[15:31:39] <Edward Birrane_web_642> There has been discussion of using extension blocks to carry annotative naming for NDN
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[15:32:01] <Felix Flentge_web_576> Yes, https://sanaregistry.org/
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[15:32:08] <Rick Taylor_web_535> @Joshua - yes - when used externally, the name component of the dtn: EID should be DNS resolvable
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[15:32:19] <Jorge Amodio_web_589> :thumbsup:
[15:32:19] <Ronny Bull_web_666> have a great afternoon/evening everyone great meeting!
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[15:33:08] <Rick Taylor_web_535> Definitely need 2 sessions next time
[15:33:10] <Abdussalam Baryun_web_866> thanks all
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