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[21:26:55] <dkg> north dakota
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[21:27:03] <dkg> yes
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[21:38:47] <Robert Moskowitz> I really  need to get with the times on github, but I have always felt that things belong on the mailing list for the larger audience.  So anyone that posts to github should discipline themselves to duplicate on the list.
[21:40:21] <Robert Moskowitz> Carston has cose right now.
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[21:43:33] <dkg> Robert Moskowitz: the "larger audience" is probably on github than on mailing lists these days :(
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[21:44:16] <Éric Vyncke_web_204> @dkg it really depends on WG I'm afraid
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[21:46:23] <dkg> Éric: ah, true.  what i meant was: if the goal is to grow the WG (to work with folks outside the usual IETF), the larger audience (outside the WG) is probably folks more comfortable with github
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[21:51:05] <Éric Vyncke_web_204> possibly indeed
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[21:55:03] <dkg> 249 lines of well-structured, readable python in an appendix doesn't seem unreasonable to include in the document, assuming it has a reasonable license.
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[21:59:21] <Adam Wiethuechter_web_535> The code has changed since that time and is more modular but could be more lines as a result....we shall see
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[22:02:35] <Robert Moskowitz> WRT to "primary".  Our audience is the UAS community as the IETF's position.  If we say "primary" they could well wait for our 'final'.  
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[22:04:05] <Éric Vyncke_web_204> We are the IETF community and usually we author documents for the IETF community using our way. Of course, having liaison and other audiences is fine.
[22:07:40] <dkg> as a tourist: specifying two mutually-incompatible ways to do things is a classic way that IETF WGs fail
[22:08:03] <dkg> we do it all the time
[22:09:24] <Robert Moskowitz> HHITs are not in the charter.
[22:09:25] <Robert Moskowitz> +1 to dkg.  Been there myself.
[22:09:26] <Éric Vyncke_web_204> in this case this would be non-interoperable ;-)
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[22:11:02] <Shuai Zhao_web_693> take a vote?
[22:12:51] <Adam Wiethuechter_web_535> +1 here to drop "Primary"
[22:13:00] <Adam Wiethuechter_web_535> or rather +2
[22:13:37] <Robert Moskowitz> I could design an alternative, but it would be an also-ran on what it would provide.  So I really don't want to spend the time.
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[22:18:30] <Éric Vyncke_web_204> Thank you Roman for joining
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[22:19:19] <Robert Moskowitz> we loose 1 byte, but we only need 16.  :)
[22:21:33] <Shuai Zhao_web_693> is this for req- document?
[22:23:28] <Robert Moskowitz> Good explain from Roman.  We will see how to do it..
[22:23:54] <Éric Vyncke_web_204> @shuai yes Roman's discuss is about -req
[22:24:16] <Shuai Zhao_web_693> thx @ Eric
[22:25:26] <dkg> fwiw, SHOULD typically means "use everywhere except for some exceptions", and you can specify the exceptions as narrowly as you like.
[22:25:30] <Stephan Wenger_web_987> This is called "conditionally mandatory"
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[22:29:24] <Robert Moskowitz> yes, by end of next week for Roman's discuss on MUSTs.
[22:30:00] <Éric Vyncke_web_204> I am afraid that I now need to leave the meeting to join an IESG meeting. Feel free to continue of course ;-)
[22:30:15] <Robert Moskowitz> Thanks eric.
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[22:35:04] <Robert Moskowitz> MoC NOT in my drip-rid document.  It will be a separate document.
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[22:36:26] <Robert Moskowitz> bye
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