[00:42:19] mlm.michael.miller joins the room [00:46:45] sumanthc joins the room [00:58:21] Alex M joins the room [00:58:31] Alex M has set the subject to: DRINKS interim meeting IETF 79 [00:58:45] Hi Alex! [00:58:54] morning sumanth! [00:59:09] Morn'! Can you change the title to say "IETF#79", please? My commands don't seem to be helping :) [00:59:47] Also, for anyone who joins and wishes to follow along, here's a GoToMeeting ID: [00:59:48] https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/877364721 [00:59:59] title changed. [01:00:28] How's Beijing so far? [01:01:08] It's been good. [01:01:15] We should get started I suppose? [01:01:22] Are you on GoToMeeting? [01:03:07] yes, i am on gotomeeting. [01:05:54] i can take notes as long as i am awake as well. [01:06:11] pee joins the room [01:07:38] jon-ietf joins the room [01:08:51] sumanth, maybe you can also mention that we have updated our milestones [01:10:02] tomkri joins the room [01:10:07] Jean-Francois M joins the room [01:10:32] Sumanth is covering the updates [01:10:42] slide #2 [01:11:02] slide #3: PI to SED Record [01:12:14] consensus is to retain it as-is [01:12:21] Sumanth called for comments - no comments made. [01:12:27] --- slide #4 [01:12:55] topic is selective (per-peer) associations [01:15:03] Ken commented that it is done on a Route Group basis (given the way the question is worded based on Data Recipients) [01:15:06] no other comments [01:15:09] i think we need to clarify with otmar. [01:15:18] --- slide #5: number portability [01:16:35] suzukisn joins the room [01:16:51] Ken commented that this use case is one of the few left from the number portability use cases [01:17:06] The Destination Group is that "aggregator", imho. [01:17:12] If anyone wants to follow along, they can join Gotomeeting at: https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/877364721 [01:17:26] Sohel Khan @ mike: need a way to aggregate TNs and RNs is a way to do that [01:17:53] Ken: we do have a use case for provisioning based on RNs [01:19:08] Sohel - Ken chat at the mike about what is in the protocol (ability to "provision PIs" using RN to use loose language) [01:19:58] now talking about SPID (Service Provider ID) and SPID-based routing [01:21:28] Ken clarified that what Sohel asked about is about SPID-based routing. To do that, you can associate a URItype RouteRec with a SPID and associate that RouteRec with a destination group [01:22:40] mike, please :-/ [01:23:46] what do you want to say at the mike [01:24:18] !!! If you want me to say something at the mike on your behalf, say it clearly MIKE: [01:24:35] --- slide 6 [01:24:50] (Alex, wanted to say something at the mike?) [01:24:53] no, i meant "Please use the mike, guys". sorry for being inprecise. [01:25:02] ah ok [01:25:37] Ken: that would be good to have specific use case for registrar and registrant [01:25:50] no other comments -> a use case will be added [01:25:59] --- slide 7: SED Record or Route Record [01:29:19] MIKE: We might get into trouble during the reviewing process of the IESG if it's confusing. [01:29:42] (if the terminology is not 100% clear, i meant) [01:30:56] ---> agreement to add a clarification in the document and make a mention of SED Record == Route Rec in the terminology section of the protocol doc [01:30:59] --- slide 8 [01:31:26] Alex M raises hand [01:31:47] Use case: 6 hands up when Sumanth asked how many people had raised (5 in the room + 1 in jabber) [01:32:09] no additional hands raised for people who have not read it yet but intend to do so soon [01:32:44] ### new slide deck: SPPP protocol rev from draft-03 [01:32:54] Ken Cartwright is presenting [01:33:10] slide 2 (agenda slide) [01:33:11] FYI: For real-time slides, go to: https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/877364721 [01:36:31] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/79/slides/drinks-2.pdf [01:36:52] --- slide 5 [01:36:56] --- slide 6 [01:38:27] --- slide 7 [01:38:30] --- slide 8 [01:39:11] --- slide 9: Egress route [01:40:12] --- slide 10: open numbering plans [01:44:19] I'm sure Hadriel is in the room! ;) [01:44:25] Jean-Francois: would like to get feedback on the solution that is currently in draft-03 [01:44:43] Jon made a comment that we keep hearing this is a requirement [01:44:57] Hadriel is not in the room... [01:45:11] MIKE: Austria and Germany has it definitely, that makes at least ~120 million TNs. [01:45:27] too late, we've moved slides ;) [01:45:36] jep, i need to speed up typing. [01:45:39] I will mention it after the set of examples [01:45:55] thanks. [01:45:57] --- slide 11 [01:46:53] --- slide 12: Ken reviewing update request example [01:49:28] --- slide 14 [01:51:52] Jean-Francois - co-authors would like some comments on the current convention for enterprise identifiers in draft-03 [01:52:25] MIKE: Unless we have an identifier space that fits 100% here, we *need* to be generic. [01:54:37] Sumanth: Penn Pfautz has initiated a Global SPID Internet-Draft that did not get published this time around [01:55:02] Jean-Francois: Penn intends to share the idea at an upcoming ITU-T SG2 meeting and post it sooner after that [01:56:16] --- slide 17 [01:57:17] --- slide 19 [01:58:20] Proposal from co-authors is: defer bulk file support to another Internet-Draft/RFC but add the data validation rules [01:58:31] how many have read the document: 3 hands [01:59:04] how many intend to read it: no more hands [01:59:10] about 40 people are in the room [02:00:49] Sumanth takes the mike back, covers Next Steps in chairs' slides [02:03:11] ## open mike [02:03:34] Sohel Khan @ mike: he wants to make sure that we keep the technology open... [02:03:50] so we can add protocols [02:05:52] Ken: the need for extensibility is covered in the protocol draft already (see element name="ext" in a number of ojbects) [02:07:10] Sohel: more comments for "existing parameters" - may be it is covered, the request is to have some fields to provision name parameters [02:07:27] Ken: understand the use case with calling names [02:07:47] tony_sun joins the room [02:08:55] MIKE: i think we should be careful to not go way beyond the scope, we're chartered to provision SED. [02:09:09] ... and caller names would probably be outside. [02:10:57] Jean-Francois M leaves the room [02:11:10] Jean-François Mulé joins the room [02:11:53] thanks everyone! 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