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[19:42:50] Brian Haberman has set the subject to: DPRIVE - IETF 105
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[19:52:41] <york@jabber.isoc.org> I'll be scribing.  Please put "MIC:" in front of anything you would like relayed to the mic.
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[19:53:00] <york@jabber.isoc.org> (For REMOTE attendees. People in the room need to get to the mic themselves ;-) )
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[19:54:31] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Meeting materials at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/materials/#dprive
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[19:55:23] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Currently Alessandro Ghedini presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-dprive-using-early-data-in-dns-over-tls-draft-ghedini-dprive-early-data-00
[19:55:34] <mcr> can someone give me a 5-6 minute warning before my presentation slot? I have to change rooms, thank you.
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[19:57:51] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Stephane Bortzmeyer at mic
[19:58:28] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Karl Henderson at mic
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[19:59:36] <york@jabber.isoc.org> @Suzanne (aka Tim) & @Brian Haberman - did you see the note above from @mcr?  (I'm not clear on the agenda right now)
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[20:00:54] <Brian Haberman> @york: I have now.
[20:01:36] <mcr> york, I've been taken care of.
[20:01:45] <Brian Haberman> I will give mcr a heads up when Sara starts the second zone transfer presentation.
[20:01:52] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Roland van Rijswijk-Deij presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-dprive-draft-ietf-dprive-bcp-op-00
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[20:02:01] <mcr> will it be in the form of a DNS Notify? :-)
[20:02:55] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Don't know… but coming from this group it should definitely be encrypted / confidential ;-)
[20:03:42] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Paul Hoffman at mic
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[20:07:02] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Pallavi Aras presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-dprive-dns-zone-transfer-over-tls-xot-01
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[20:08:04] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Han Zhang presenting remotely
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[20:19:54] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Wes Hardaker at mic
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[20:20:58] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Willem Toorop at mic (co-author)
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[20:21:44] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Ben Kaduk at mic
[20:22:08] <Allison Mankin> MIC:  Another co-author here:  it is an uodate of the existing Proposed Standards - I see this as a natural PS.
[20:22:39] <Allison Mankin> Update:  saying do this wtih confidentiality and not without
[20:22:41] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Roland van Rijswijk-Deij  at mic
[20:23:01] <york@jabber.isoc.org> @Allison Mankin - I will relay
[20:23:01] <Allison Mankin> Mic:  Dan, could you relay my comment.  
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[20:24:16] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Willem back at mic
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[20:24:30] <york@jabber.isoc.org> DKG at mic
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[20:26:00] <york@jabber.isoc.org> (Daniel Kahn Gillmor)
[20:27:07] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Wes Hardaker at mic
[20:28:08] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Sean Turner at mic
[20:28:47] <york@jabber.isoc.org> DKG +1 at mic
[20:29:24] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Next - Sara Dickinson presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-dprive-zone-transfer-using-dso-xud-01 remotely
[20:30:21] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Willem now presenting locally
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[20:31:19] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Sean has convinced me to revise my position to "you should mandate TLS
1.3+ if it makes things easier for you, but not if the only reason is
that it's trendy"
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[20:37:01] <york@jabber.isoc.org> +1, kaduk
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[20:44:16] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Sara asking about the open questions on her last slide
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[20:45:17] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Who is first at the mic?
[20:45:36] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> (I feel a bit silly asking, since I am/was sitting next to him...)
[20:45:37] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Matthew Pounsett at mic
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[20:45:39] <Suzanne (aka Tim)> That's Matt Pounsett
[20:45:51] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Thanks
[20:46:00] <york@jabber.isoc.org> He's with DNS-OARC
[20:46:28] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Matthijs Mekking speaking remotely
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[20:47:45] <Rolf Sonneveld> I like the pub/sub element of the XuD proposal, but what I don't understand is that where the web services world is moving away from stateful operations, XuD/DSO does embrace it
[20:47:46] <york@jabber.isoc.org> We are now breaking the "Matt*" trend … with Ted Hardie at mic.
[20:48:00] <Matthijs Mekking> :)
[20:48:36] <york@jabber.isoc.org> @Rolf Sonneveld- was that for relay to mic? or just a side comment here.
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[20:49:16] <Rolf Sonneveld> Side comment, but still wondering ;-)
[20:49:43] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Petr Špaček at mic
[20:50:35] <york@jabber.isoc.org> DKG at mic
[20:54:05] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Matt Pounsett at mic
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[20:56:34] <mcr> DKG: DNS operators already have extensive plumbing that sets up the TSIG authorization/authentication.  This goes back a decade.  It's sunk cost. Adding TLS (even opportunistic encryption) is easy of you don't have to redo all of the authentication via TLS Client Side Certificates.
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[20:57:32] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Puneet Sood at mic
[20:58:26] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Next - Michael Richardson presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-dprive-bootstrapping-procedure-to-discover-and-authenticate-dot-and-doh-servers-v2-00
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[21:01:56] <Thomas Peterson> I am unsure if I should be flattered as to be mistaken for Thomas Fossati...
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[21:07:52] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Next - Tim April presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-dprive-authoritative-dns-over-tls-operational-considerations-draft-hal-adot-operational-considerations-00
[21:08:09] <mcr> Thomas, sorry. It was a Thomas :-)
[21:08:49] <mcr> I should have put that into the slide.... https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-peterson-dot-dhcp/
[21:10:13] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Puneen Sood at mic
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[21:12:13] <Sagi> (not for mic) mcr, has that draft seen discussion anywhere? It's new to me and I'd like to read up on any minutes.
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[21:13:31] <york@jabber.isoc.org> And we're done. Next up in Singapore...
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