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Benno Overeinder has set the subject to: DNSOP interim-2021-dnsop-03
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[16:56:42] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> no
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[16:57:19] <Suzanne Woolf_web_480> I was thinking some salsa maybe....
[16:57:28] <Roger Murray_web_463> something would be nice..
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[16:57:42] <sftcd> testing (to see if input from this side of the old integration still works)
[16:57:53] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> it does seem to
[16:57:55] <Roger Murray_web_463> or someone just breathing into a mic so we know audio works. ;)
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[16:59:14] <Benno Overeinder_web_501> I have the church bells on the hour.
[16:59:16] <Roger Murray_web_463> :smiley:
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[16:59:48] <Duane Wessels_web_244> all audio sounds bad to me
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[17:00:07] <Duane Wessels_web_244> maybe warrens poor audio was echoing from tim
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[17:00:17] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> Tim is ruining all audio, I think (seriously) when unmuted
[17:00:20] <Roger Murray_web_463> Benno sounds good
[17:00:22] <Duane Wessels_web_244> right
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[17:00:33] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> so I should not present then !
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[17:00:46] <Paul Wouters_web_224> Love the meetecho cross site scripting attack when you are not yet logged into the datatracker when going to the meetecho link
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[17:01:18] <Roger Murray_web_463> the conundrum of being impressed or scared.. ;)
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[17:01:26] <Paul Wouters_web_224> Had to open a tab manually and login then go to meetecho link
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[17:02:14] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> Tim's audio is still pretty bad
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[17:02:25] <Vladimír Čunát_web_274> yes
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[17:02:57] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> Thanks for letting me know - I had some real pokey connections to meetecho
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[17:03:26] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> (i now owe Peter and Vladimir a drink for getting me out of the speaking!)
[17:03:38] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> Taking minutes in
[17:04:34] <Suzanne Woolf_web_574> My sound check was fine but I can't get the speaker to switch to my headset....first problem I can remember with meetecho
[17:05:18] <sftcd> fwiw, my draft got here via dispatch not secdispatch (though IMO there's too much dispatchery in general:-)
[17:05:35] <Andrew Campling_web_163> Meetecho has generally worked well for me - using Edge on Windows 10
[17:05:42] <Suzanne Woolf_web_574> Stephen, my mistake, sorry
[17:05:49] <sftcd> no probs
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[17:10:02] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> Ulrich - could you mute
[17:10:17] <Vladimír Čunát_web_274> Much better.
[17:13:15] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> Suggestion - add an Implementation Section in the Appendix
[17:14:15] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> oh wait now I see it in #8
[17:14:41] <Roger Murray_web_463> feel free to contact me or Johan if anyone has any questions or comments.
[17:14:54] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> audio is cursed today
[17:14:57] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> Thanks Roger/Johan
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[17:16:23] <Ulrich Wisser_web_147> Thank you! I have to leave, sorry
[17:16:29] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> thanks Ulrich!
[17:16:31] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> Thanks Ulrich!
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[17:19:58] <Roger Murray_web_463>
[17:22:46] <sftcd> +1 to ben - saying REQUIRED there seems unnecessary and wrong technically
[17:24:36] <sftcd> I tend to setup new zones with both external and in-balliwick NSes so also wondered about Ben's question
[17:26:14] <John Levine_web_333> yes, reserve _dsauth
[17:26:22] <Kim Davies_web_705> +1
[17:26:24] <Benjamin Schwartz_web_210> +1
[17:26:26] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> +1
[17:26:35] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> _domainkey is intermediate too, etc. etc.
[17:26:41] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> We can help Peter
[17:26:45] <Suzanne Woolf_web_574> Registry policy for is expert review
[17:26:53] <Donald Eastlake_web_373> I can help with IANA text.
[17:26:54] <Suzanne Woolf_web_574> One of the experts s here :-)
[17:28:10] <Vladimír Čunát_web_274> Frederico A C Neves, Paul Wouters
[17:28:31] <Suzanne Woolf_web_574> Yep thanks
[17:28:32] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> Paul is my Expert
[17:28:54] <Paul Wouters_web_224> Yes i can help
[17:29:20] <Paul Wouters_web_224> iPhone meetecho client is …. Not easy
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[17:33:40] <Benno Overeinder_web_501> Thanks Paul!
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[17:39:32] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> my audio is not working
[17:39:40] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> i'll go to the list later
[17:39:57] <Benjamin Schwartz_web_210> Peter: Have you clicked the mic icon?
[17:40:00] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> ok - number 3, I don't get it. How would you know if something is the leaf domain or not?
[17:40:02] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> Ben, I did!
[17:40:21] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> Meetecho then showed a popup saying it could not hear me. It did work right here 45 minutes ago
[17:40:49] <Vladimír Čunát_web_274> 1. sounds easiest to me.
[17:40:49] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> ok, thanks!
[17:40:54] <Andrew Campling_web_163> @PVD Local muting button on your mic?
[17:41:17] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> Andrew, that would be news! I'll debug later :)
[17:42:17] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> It would be helpful to me if we had some examples with all records
[17:44:15] <Benjamin Schwartz_web_210> Why do they need to be enumerated?
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[17:44:45] <Nils Wisiol_web_169> Vladimir, 1 may be easy now but 6 would generalize easier (lets say you want signal DNSKEYs).
[17:45:09] <sftcd> #5 seems reasonable to me
[17:45:23] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> #6 seems more general
[17:45:28] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> 6 just feels wrong, no objective argument
[17:45:29] <John Levine_web_158> Not opposed to #6 but it seems like solving a non problem
[17:45:46] <Benjamin Schwartz_web_210> Does #6 actually solve the problem?
[17:45:59] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> 6 solves the problem if a domain name does not contain _signal or _dsauth
[17:46:01] <Benjamin Schwartz_web_210> What if _dsauth is actually the apex of another zone?
[17:46:08] <John Levine_web_158> Yes, can’t zone cut at non hostname
[17:46:13] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> we had a similar discussion in the dns error reporting draft, where these sentinels on both sides turned out to not solve things
[17:46:42] <John Levine_web_158> Oh wait yes you can
[17:46:53] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> you can zone cut at any non-escaped period
[17:47:08] <Roger Murray_web_463> #1 is easier to communicate and avoids risks of confusion with cds/cdnskey as used to
[17:47:10] <Benjamin Schwartz_web_210> So I think #6 needs its own version of #5
[17:47:14] <Roger Murray_web_463> today
[17:47:17] <Benjamin Schwartz_web_210> or #3
[17:47:51] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> cds/cdnskey deployment has been slow
[17:48:49] <Warren Kumari_web_495> No hats : I think 1 is cleanest...
[17:49:29] <Warren Kumari_web_495> I missed what the downside to #1 is, other than burning codepoints...
[17:51:30] <Warren Kumari_web_495> Thanks
[17:52:27] <Suzanne Woolf_web_574> The other concern I have about this issue is that the mechanics are getting complicated, we will need very precise language around them
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[17:53:36] <Vladimír Čunát_web_274> Implementing a new RRtype that's a copy of another one should be easy, surely.  And only parties interested in this bootstrapping will need it, I believe.
[17:53:38] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> yes - 1 is simple
[17:53:46] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> Vladimir, yes
[17:53:57] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> Will add jabber log to minutes
[17:54:30] <Benno Overeinder_web_501> Stephen, are you ready to go next?
[17:54:35] <Vladimír Čunát_web_274> (Though I can't estimate what kind of other signalling and thus types might be useful in future.)
[17:54:36] <sftcd> sure
[17:57:41] <Sean Turner_web_856> For the record, I hope the answer is not no. I hope it's yep we know about this and can provide useful innpuit.
[17:58:24] <Benjamin Schwartz_web_210> Note that this not needed for an ordinary HTTP CDN
[17:59:12] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> Thanks Ben
[17:59:57] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> If there was only a TLS chair in this meeting...
[18:00:31] <Warren Kumari_web_495> My comment from the mail included: "to my mind that makes it seem much more like it should be adopted in something like TLS, with some input / review from DNSOP / HTTPBIS…"
[18:01:15] <Roger Murray_web_463> +1 on the format
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[18:01:18] <sftcd> yeah warren's correct as always:-)
[18:01:20] <Tim Wicinski_web_605> I want to thank everyone!
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[18:01:30] <Peter Thomassen_web_115> Thank you to the chairs that make it happening
[18:01:44] <Warren Kumari_web_495> @sftd: "vaya con dios" :-P
[18:02:12] <Peter van Dijk_web_695> thanks!
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