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[04:52:45] <Warren Kumari> (and, "Hello all")
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[04:53:13] <tale > Warren!!!!  
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[04:53:26] <tale > Hope you are all well, dnsop community
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[04:54:26] <Paul Hoffman_613> I haven't kept up: are we doing the mic line with +q here, or with the hand icon above?
[04:54:38] <hardaker> lining up early Paul?
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[04:55:00] <Paul Hoffman> Ooooh, it shows up in both places.  Confusing!
[04:55:01] <John Levine_130> hand, I hope
[04:55:11] <Warren Kumari> I belive the hand - that sorts people, etc...
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[04:55:34] <Peter van Dijk> Paul, unless meetecho crashes again, also sitting in Jabber is pointless :)
[04:55:36] <Paul Hoffman_613> I guess I was asking the chairs...
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[04:55:46] <tale > AFAIK all groups are using meetecho queuing unless they specify otherwise
[04:55:46] <Warren Kumari> Oh, question time starts now?! ... So, what *really* happens in the Bermuda Triangle?
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[04:57:13] <Tim Wicinski> hand up
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[04:57:43] <Warren Kumari> Yes, Tim?     &lt; :-P&gt;
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[04:57:43] <Paul Hoffman_613> @suz: it is indeed another IETF.
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[04:58:02] <tale > What's _613 and _130 about?  Do I need a number?  I am not a number, I am a free geek!
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[04:58:10] <Warren Kumari> ...but is the date on the slide right?
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[04:58:14] <Tim Wicinski> To Mr. Paul - queuing using the Hand icon
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[04:58:27] <Peter van Dijk> Warren, in the Bermuda  Triangle, dates do as they please
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[04:58:42] <tale > The date on the slide has me concerned for what reality timeline I am experiencing.
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[04:59:00] <Warren Kumari> "I reject your reality, and substitute my own..."
[04:59:05] <tale > Ah, with the same name?  Thanks, John.   I'm kind of parked in Jabber all the time, but different name.
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[04:59:19] <Peter van Dijk> I think the date might be right for -some- time zones for the -second- session this week?
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[04:59:24] <Tim Wicinski> Yes, I updated the slides to fix the date and I apologize for that.
[04:59:26] <John Levine> Isn’t Bangkok time UTC+79 ?
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[04:59:52] <tale > Somehow it's right on West Virginia time, I bet
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[05:00:17] <Peter van Dijk> so again, anything can happen!
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[05:00:28] <tale > Right here it is, the church bells were just going off
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[05:00:47] <Warren Kumari> https://i.imgur.com/wn7YZVg.gif
[05:00:52] <Ray Bellis> 5am :(
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[05:01:26] <Peter van Dijk> and Roy
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[05:01:33] <Warren Kumari> Roy!!!!
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[05:01:42] <Warren Kumari> Mornin'
[05:01:43] <Vittorio Bertola> It's more like a hour in the night that I have not been awake at since I stopped having to catch the first flight of the day to go somewhere in Europe
[05:01:49] <Libor Peltan> 6am and public holiday i CZ
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[05:02:11] <Warren Kumari> Indeed....
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[05:02:29] <Warren Kumari> @Libor: Which holiday?
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[05:03:00] <Warren Kumari> (if only there was some sort of system where I could look that up...)
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[05:03:06] <Libor Peltan> 1989 end of communism regime
[05:03:22] <Warren Kumari> Ah, cool.
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[05:03:35] <Vladimír Čunát> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Students%27_Day
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[05:04:22] <Vladimír Čunát> (it goes further into history)
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[05:04:38] <David Lawrence> People control their own mics, you just have to acknowledge them
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[05:05:06] <David Lawrence> I think the CNAME/DNAME questions will want further review
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[05:05:12] <Shumon Huque_> The 2nd draft on this slide should not be there!
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[05:07:10] <Paul Hoffman_613> @shumon: be sure to mail the WG chairs on that. They get ahead of us sometimes.
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[05:07:37] <Paul Hoffman_613> @tale: yes, that's definitely one of the ones I think I want the WG to look at.
[05:07:52] <David Lawrence> ty
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[05:08:07] <Shumon Huque_> Yup, will do Paul. No biggie.
[05:08:33] <Paul Hoffman_613> Definitely ties to 5933bis.
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[05:08:59] <David Lawrence> ys
[05:09:04] <Sebastian Castro> Loud and clear Shumon
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[05:11:18] <Paul Hoffman_613> Nothing late here...
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[05:11:43] <Warren Kumari> Avatar?
[05:11:44] <Patrick Tarpey> This is worse than watching Arsenal...
[05:11:56] <Warren Kumari> It;s pulled (IIRC) from Gravatar
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[05:12:08] <David Lawrence> Yes, Gravatar for personal icon
[05:12:10] <alex-meetecho> Pieter Lexis: we first look at your datatracker profile, then if there's no pic there we look at Gravatar
[05:12:37] <alex-meetecho> you can contact the secretariat if you want a picture associated with your datatracker account
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[05:12:44] <Ray Bellis> ah, that explains why my avatar here is different to the one I had for the RIPE meeting.
[05:12:46] <Warren Kumari> @Alex - oh, thanks. That should have been obvious as my pic is from DT....
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[05:20:45] <Dan York> Paul Hoffman: Are you taking notes at https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-109-dnsop?edit ?  Or are you taking them separately?
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[05:21:24] <Paul Hoffman_613> Taking them separately, as usual.
[05:21:33] <Dan York> Gotcha
[05:21:40] <Paul Hoffman_613> (Don't trust crashing software...)
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[05:22:43] <Dan York> Ha!  Okay... I took a few notes in that link... but I'll leave the note-taking to you.
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[05:25:15] <Jim Reid> where's the (^(T(*&amp;T unmute buttin?
[05:25:24] <Paul Hoffman_613> Not there, it seems.
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[05:25:58] <Vladimír Čunát> new GOST is in GnuTLS, too, I think
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[05:29:21] <Jonathan Reed> Anyone else hearing a slight echo, or just me?
[05:29:31] <Vladimír Čunát> same here
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[05:30:00] <Andrew Campling> Possibly too many open mikes?
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[05:30:13] <Mirja Kühlewind> May if everybody else mutes?
[05:30:14] <Jonathan Reed> @Jim: you're still sending audio, I think
[05:30:21] <Tim Wicinski> Jim - can you mute your audio?
[05:30:33] <Pete Resnick> I believe you can mute him Tim.
[05:30:34] <Mirja Kühlewind> the chairs can mute everybody
[05:31:18] <Ray Bellis> it might be Suzanne herself echoing back?
[05:31:38] <David Lawrence> The chairs can also just click off mic permission on one participant
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[05:33:33] <Ray Bellis> the echo is gone now
[05:33:45] <Paul Hoffman_613> Jim muted
[05:34:03] MarcoSIDN@Home has set the subject to: DNSOP at IETF 109
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[05:34:42] <Jim Reid> Sorry - I thought the chairs controlled that.
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[05:35:04] <Pete Resnick> They can turn you off if you forget, but they can't unmute you.
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[05:37:47] <Peter Koch> from the experience with the 3166-1 rev3 to rev4 updtae, I would not expect too much ...
[05:38:37] <Roy Arends> my microphone stopped working :-)
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[05:40:07] <David Lawrence> Ah there
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[05:42:29] <Harald Alvestrand> Usage for private use is very much real usage.
[05:42:30] <Ted Hardie> The two of those don't necessarily result in what this draft says, though.
[05:42:46] <Ted Hardie> Agree with Harald
[05:43:17] <Joe Abley> the -00 in the repository is almost exactly roy's earlier draft that the wg adopted. The question to the wg is what the -01 should look like
[05:45:18] <Warren Kumari> Letter from Goran: https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2020-10-28-icann-board-of-directors-ietf-iab-clarifying-domain-namespace-responsibilities-attachment-1.pdf
[05:45:31] <Warren Kumari> Response: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1706/
[05:46:02] <Jim Reid> I've been silenced. UI says I'm umuted]
[05:46:04] <Paul Hoffman_613> For clarity, "Göran" is the CEO of ICANN
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[05:46:36] <Pete Resnick> Jim, in the lower right, there's some chasing arrows which re-load. That often fixes audio/video probs.
[05:46:59] <Meetecho> Pete Resnick: to clarify, that only fixes audio
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[05:47:17] <Jim Reid> Thanks Pete.
[05:47:18] <Warren Kumari> And please read the liaison statements - they are short and simple. I tried to oversimplify this...
[05:47:21] <Meetecho> For video, you can restart a stream by hovering over it, hitting the pause icon (vertical bars), and clicking play again
[05:47:35] <Joe Abley> thank you ted, that's I think exactly the approach we had in mind
[05:47:35] <Pete Resnick> Thanks for that.
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[05:50:54] <Ted Hardie> If they never will, then getting them to say that should be relatively easy.
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[05:51:48] <Warren Kumari> @Ted: +1. I think that that is much of my concern... "extremely unlikley" != never...
[05:52:46] <Warren Kumari> if ISO says they will *never* use these, then if they decide that they will, they cannot fuss at us...
[05:52:57] <Joel Jaeggli> reserved is necessary but not sufficient
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[05:53:15] <Joe Abley> stuart, I think many of the scenarios you describe are really about the concept of private namespaces
[05:53:21] <Joel Jaeggli> reserved means we're taking it off the table
[05:53:24] <Joe Abley> the proposal is to discuss that separately
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[05:53:41] <David Lawrence> ... and putting it on its own table :)
[05:53:56] <Joe Abley> an unbounded number of separate tables, all alike
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[05:55:28] <Joel Jaeggli> 7686 is for better or wrose what happens when your move from reserving something but rather designate how it is to be used
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[05:56:42] <Joel Jaeggli> yeah what warren said
[05:56:57] <Brian Dickson> One potential approach is to say, one particular two-letter reserved code can be used for private use, and name collision SHOULD be avoided by putting a collision-resistant second-level label, below .zz and above the private use usage.
[05:57:36] <Brian Dickson> E.g. whatever-i-want.guid-as-label-to-prevent-collisions.zz rather than whatever-i-want.zz
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[05:58:42] <Brian Dickson> (Separate observation: ICANN isn't saying it won't be used, IIUC, they are saying ISO says what it is used for, for any 2-letter code, and it is ISO says that it won't be used.)
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[05:59:08] <Warren Kumari> @Brian: Yes, but as you know (being a registrar), people really want semantically meaningful names... People have seen using www.corp, not www.dfads3e4r34324rwefe.corp..
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[05:59:36] <Paul Hoffman_613> Brian, Warren: on the mailing list, please!
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[05:59:58] <Warren Kumari> @Paul: Fair nuff...
[06:00:17] <Paul Hoffman_613> We can repeat ourselves there... :-)
[06:00:23] <Stuart Cheshire> @Joel If “reserved” means “taking it off the table”, in that case should all name resolver libraries return an immediate error for these names, to make sure they stay off the table? Otherwise, if a name is “reserved” but does actually get resolved as normal, that’s an invitation for creative people to use the names anyway. (I.e., this is what I meant when I said people read this as “reserved for me!”)
[06:00:28] <Brian Dickson> Correct, and I think possibly providing guidance that this private use SHOULD be generally limited to "magic" things like automation or automated/negotiated systems. The UI can/should hide the GUID component and possibly also the zz TLD
[06:00:38] <Brian Dickson> yep
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[06:01:43] <Benjamin Schwartz> That could be $guid.guidspace.arpa, no need for .zz
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[06:03:00] <Eric Orth> Is that already a thing, or are you just saying it's something IETF could easily do?
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[06:03:16] <Roy Arends> While I'd love to respond here to all the comments, I think it is better to move these to the mailing list, please.
[06:03:53] <Benjamin Schwartz> "guidspace.arpa" is not a thing.  I'm just suggesting an adjustment to Brian's proposal.
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[06:04:20] <Ted Hardie> @Eric .arpa is open for that sort of specification, but you have to specify it and have the IAB allocate it.
[06:05:09] <Paul Hoffman_613> @mark: makes sense to me
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[06:05:45] <Brian Dickson> @Ben: I like it. Also, Douglas Adams quote: “We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!”
[06:05:49] <Vladimír Čunát> There aren't just attacks.  Also the fact of fragments not coming through at all.
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[06:06:14] <Ladislav Lhotka> alex: looking at my Datatracker, I don't see any possibility to set the photo, not even as an external resource.
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[06:06:42] <Andrew Campling> @Ladislav - use Gravatar to set a photo
[06:06:52] <David Lawrence> I am embarrassed to admit that I think I missed a few keywords or something, because I'm not really grokking Mark's point.  Can someone who gets it restate it here please?
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[06:08:27] <Libor Peltan> Fragmentation is vulnerable to some attacks, whereas for TSIG-signed communication, this is not the case. Mark suggests that for TSIG, we don't need (maybe) to avoid fragmentation.
[06:08:28] <Ladislav Lhotka> @Andrew: alex mentioned earlier that Gravatar is used only if no photo is find in someone's profile. I'd prefer to set my photo there.
[06:08:45] <David Lawrence> Thank you, Libor
[06:09:37] <Joe Abley> marka, the trouble is that v6 fragmentation happens at the sender, not at an intermediate router. if a dns responder has sent a reply that requires fragmentation, it needs to retain state and remember what it said before, and fragment the response. this is fundamentally really hard with stateless dns operation over udp
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[06:09:56] <Geoff Huston> its just that when we measure fragmented V6 from authoritative to recursives we see a 18% drop rate for fragmented UDP over IPv6
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[06:10:35] <Geoff Huston> I don;t follow you Joe
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[06:12:17] <Brian Dickson> I think what Joe means is that a UDP DNS reply can't be fire-and-forget, simply because of the possibility of fragmentation (ICMP6 saying the sender needs to fragment and resend), thus making it look a lot more like TCP.
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[06:13:46] <Joe Abley> thanks brian, that's what I meant
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[06:14:25] <Joe Abley> I think the question of whether fragments can make it through the core or edge of the network unmolested is a separate issue (and one that is less v6-special)
[06:14:38] <Vladimír Čunát> UDP can be lost due to other reasons (like congestion), but it appears that fragmentation was getting the probability of loss rather high.
[06:15:12] <Peter van Dijk> the fragmentation question is very much separate between v4 and v6, because in v6 it uses Extension Headers, and routers and firewalls hate those even m ore than they do v4 fragments
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[06:15:16] <Brian Dickson> If v6 didn't want to pass fragments forward, maybe the spec should have done an entire "return to sender" of the entire packet, with an indication of how small the fragments needed to be, so the state could be maintained in the UDP packet itself. Doesn't deal with asymmetric paths with unequal MTU/MSS of course.
[06:15:47] <Joel Jaeggli> edge networks that discard non-initial fragments are rather common
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[06:16:04] <Peter van Dijk> there have been proposals in 6man or v6ops for on-path v6 truncation where the -receiver- of the packet can see how much is left, that would be pretty neat for a resolver to receive
[06:16:07] <Joe Abley> brian, that's pretty much what v6 does, which is why it's problematically different from v4 when it comes to dns responders and udp transport
[06:16:15] <Peter van Dijk> but, those proposals also use extension headers, so they're not happening :)
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[06:24:39] <Lars-Johan Liman> I get "audio: TypeError: null is not an object (evaluating '_this.audioContext.createMediaStreamSource')". :-(
[06:25:29] <Lars-Johan Liman> I'll comment here:I think RFC required for infrastructure records, and Expert review for data carrying records.
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[06:26:48] <Benjamin Schwartz> (For reference: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8126#section-4.6)
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[06:27:09] <Warren Kumari> IDs now are now archived..&gt;
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[06:30:22] <Ted Hardie> They don't do that any more, do they?
[06:30:24] <Meetecho> Lars-Johan Liman: did that happen when trying to unmute?
[06:30:37] <Ted Hardie> (That is create summary RFCs)
[06:31:28] <Peter Koch> @Warren: are you saying that publishing an I-D once is sufficient for 'sprecification required'?
[06:31:39] <Paul Hoffman_613> @peter: yes
[06:31:55] <Dan York> Paul Hoffman: I tried to capture a few notes in https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-109-dnsop?edit about the comments during the time you were speaking.
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[06:32:09] <Tim Wicinski> Thank you Dan
[06:32:25] <Paul Hoffman_613> Yes, thank you. I'll listen to the "tape" to fill in too.
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[06:32:33] <cm-msk@jabber.org> Is this Manu talking?
[06:32:38] <Peter van Dijk> yes
[06:32:38] <Paul Hoffman_613> Yes, Manu
[06:32:42] <cm-msk@jabber.org> thanks
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[06:41:48] <dkg> agree with Ben here -- there may be some countries that it makes sense for, but some countries are much larger and have serious latency differences internally
[06:42:32] <Vladimír Čunát> Mapping from prefixes to GEO might better be a separate thing.  At least conceptually.
[06:43:25] <Warren Kumari> Prefix -&gt; Geo is already being done in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds/
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[06:43:56] <Brian Dickson> prefixes of resolver info including geo, allow identification of major common resolver operator, which is very useful to classification/resource reservation on authority side.
[06:43:57] <Warren Kumari> (unless I misunderstood your point, Vladimir,,,,)
[06:44:17] <Vladimír Čunát> (you got me right)
[06:44:41] <Warren Kumari> There is also an assumption here that geolocation maps to network latency...
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[06:45:54] <Warren Kumari> Lichtenstein?
[06:45:55] <Olaf Kolkman (xmpp)> Lichtenstein?
[06:45:56] <Paul Wouters> lichtenstein?
[06:46:00] <Paul Wouters> hahaha
[06:46:00] <Olaf Kolkman (xmpp)> heheh
[06:46:01] <Warren Kumari> :-P
[06:46:06] <dkg> you're all very clever :)
[06:46:07] <Lars-Johan Liman> LOCODES we like! :-)
[06:46:13] <Yoshitaka Aharen> UN/LOCODE list: https://www.unece.org/cefact/locode/service/location
[06:46:19] <Simon Hicks> vatican
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[06:46:25] <Simon Hicks> andorra
[06:46:31] <Simon Hicks> monaco
[06:46:37] <Simon Hicks> san marino
[06:46:39] <Andrew Campling> San Marino
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[06:46:42] <Jim Reid> How about LOC records? :-)
[06:46:46] <Joe Abley> lichtenstein it was! they had a couple of icao codes assigned to heliports, but no IATA codes
[06:46:54] <Joe Abley> I'm sure there are others
[06:47:11] <Olaf Kolkman (xmpp)> If you use LOCODE you can always use ZZ if you don't know ;-)
[06:47:18] <Joe Abley> ahaha!
[06:47:31] <Jim Reid> Would IATA code of nearest airport be close enough?
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[06:47:38] <Warren Kumari> I wanted to move to .li (because reasons), and, IIRC, Zurich was the best airport...
[06:47:49] <Alexander Mayrhofer> RFC 5870 + RFC 7553: URI RRType + geo: URI
[06:48:02] <Warren Kumari> Reasons == becase it made me giggle...
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[06:51:21] <Peter van Dijk> audio gone?
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[06:51:25] <dkg> just lost tiru's audio
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[06:51:27] <Marco Davids> Yep
[06:51:29] <Jonathan Reed> same
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[06:51:36] <dkg> BLOCKED BCAUSE ILLEGAL
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[06:51:40] <Marco Davids> ;-)
[06:51:59] <Lars-Johan Liman> He fell off he edge of the Internet ... ;-)
[06:52:00] <Vittorio Bertola> Attempts to provide reasons for blocking are being blocked...
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[06:54:12] <dkg> is "target-domain" different from "targetdomain"  in slide 7?
[06:54:21] <Joe Abley> I assumed it was the same
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[06:55:22] <Paul Wouters> i am confused how censored and blocked and filtered are different for an enduser
[06:55:37] <Paul Hoffman_613> No, you are not confused. :-)
[06:55:43] <dkg> censored and blocked have the evil bit set
[06:55:51] <George Michaelson> some economies don't want to admit its censored, so want to be able to say its filtered
[06:56:10] <Peter van Dijk> RFC8914 defines those terms for you, Paul
[06:56:46] <Vittorio Bertola> Whether and how to show that depends on UI considerations, but basically blocked, censored and filtered differ on who has decided to block access (the ISP, the government or the user him/herself)
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[06:56:58] <Peter van Dijk> ^ that
[06:56:58] <Alister Winfield> censored ... officially sanctioned (don't blame the implementor), blocked (implementor has skin in the game and might help you)
[06:57:26] <dkg> if the local client knows about filtering claims from the authenticated resolver they're using, why do we need a directed error URI in the first place?
[06:57:41] <dkg> can't the local client derive the error URI based on its local knowledgE?
[06:57:51] <Paul Wouters> peter: thanks. just skimmed it. terms seem oddly used :)
[06:57:51] <Warren Kumari> Yup, but a gvmnt **could** say "we don't like being labeled as censoring $whatever, you will return "blocked"..
[06:58:03] <Vittorio Bertola> Or
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[06:58:14] <Vittorio Bertola> queries could just be dropped without any error code
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[06:58:20] <Vladimír Čunát> @dkg: harder to configure, less flexible?
[06:58:27] <Warren Kumari> @dkg: Because some gvmnts says "you must send the user to the page where we admonish them..."
[06:58:33] <Vittorio Bertola> this is an architecture for not-[too-]adversarial filtering :)
[06:58:41] <dkg> Warren: or where we can put them on a list
[06:58:54] <Paul Wouters> and how will the blocked/censored page not spiral down into an advertisement page
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[06:59:34] <Warren Kumari> @dkg: Yup... not condoning this, just saying what some regulations say...
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[06:59:37] <Eric Orth> I don't believe EDE extra text is intended to be directly displayed to end users.
[06:59:46] <Vittorio Bertola> For "censored", showing an error page is actually a requirement in some jurisdiction. For "blocked" and "filtered", it may provide the user with options to bypass the block.
[07:00:09] <Vittorio Bertola> Or to complain if it's a mistake
[07:00:44] <David Lawrence> @Eric Well, it isn't, but like many error messages from subsystems it isn't surprising that some dev would make it visible
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[07:00:51] <dkg> these all seem like very different rationales for offering a URI, Vittorio -- is the user agent going to be able to distinguish these cases (complain, bypass, get put on a list)?
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[07:01:23] <Patrick Tarpey> Can't unmute!
[07:01:28] <Vittorio Bertola> The error codes are different for that purpose. What the user agent does depends on its own policy
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[07:01:32] <Olaf Kolkman (xmpp)> [dropping]
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[07:02:26] <Patrick Tarpey> This looks like a reduction in end user privacy in the sense the operator of the error web pages can easily track those seek banned domains....
[07:02:44] <Patrick Tarpey> write a custom error url per request...
[07:02:58] <Vittorio Bertola> Generally, the operator of the error page is also the operator of the resolver, so they already know that that user made that request
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[07:04:08] <Andrew Campling> @Tim Pat has put his comment in the chat / Jabber - see above
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[07:04:10] <Warren Kumari> @Vittorio: unless it is a gvmnt mandated "send the bad user to my page"...
[07:04:12] <Vladimír Čunát> Perhaps we need deployment experience from EDE first...
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[07:04:24] <Marco Davids> Thank you chairs!
[07:04:29] <Peter van Dijk> thanks!
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[07:04:36] <Dan York> Thanks
[07:04:36] <Patrick Tarpey> thanks
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[07:04:37] <Brian Dickson> Thanks everyone
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[07:04:41] <Vittorio Bertola> @Warren: In that kind of country, I think users would be tracked once they make the query already
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[07:04:41] <Warren Kumari> Indeed!
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[07:04:43] <Simon Hicks> thanks
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[07:04:49] <Sebastian Castro> thanks everybody!
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[07:04:51] <Desiree Miloshevic> ta
[07:04:51] <Vittorio Bertola> Thanks!
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