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[05:33:16] <Tim Wattenberg> Hello DNSOP, I'll again be your Jabber scribe for the meeting. As always, please indicate if you want to have something being relayed in the room by prepending it with "mic:" or similar.
[05:33:24] <Suzanne> thank you Tim!
[05:33:31] <Ted Lemon> Thanks, Tim!
[05:33:58] <Ted Lemon> I'd offer, but am situationally challenged.
[05:34:27] <Tim Wattenberg> Remote jabber scribe – why not :D
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[05:40:20] <Petr Špaček> me: We plan to do extensite TCP/TLS testing on Knot Resolver so we will have some feedback next year.
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[05:40:36] <Petr Špaček> [mic] We plan to do extensite TCP/TLS testing on Knot Resolver so we will have some feedback next year.
[05:42:29] <Ted Lemon> Sounds good here.
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[05:51:32] <Shane Kerr> Hold on... there's no client information mixed into the cookie anymore?
[05:52:29] <Tim Wattenberg> I guess. Just a 64 bit nonce
[05:53:06] <Shane Kerr> 🤔
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[06:00:24] <Petr Špaček> [mic] Out of curiosity: Did someone outside dnsop indicated interest in this mechanism? (Besides theoretical use-cases.)
[06:01:18] <Petr Špaček> I mean - I'm looking for a practical use-cases, not just the theory described in the draft.
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[06:35:26] <Tim Wattenberg> (Jabber scribe is off to the restroom. Back in 3 Min ;-) )
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[06:40:18] <Petr Špaček> Wow, you have very good time estimation algorithm! :-)
[06:40:43] <Shane Kerr> Can we apply that algorithm to path MTU?
[06:41:21] <Petr Špaček> For path MTU we need :crystalball:.
[06:45:04] <Shane Kerr> 🔮
[06:45:32] <Mark Andrews> see also draft-andrews-dnsop-defeat-frag-attack-00
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[06:47:59] <Shane Kerr> ATR FTW?
[06:49:37] <Ted Lemon> Isn't the main issue that this is a useful attack vector?
[06:50:13] <Petr Špaček> Yeah, it's operation PITA + security issue at the same time.
[06:50:40] <Shane Kerr> ATR a security issue? I don't think so.
[06:50:59] <Vladimír Čunát> Fragmentation, not ATR.
[06:51:01] <Ted Lemon> Fragmentation a security issue.
[06:51:40] <Ted Lemon> mic: Suzanne, the intarea work is done.
[06:52:57] <Mark Andrews> mic: cookie isn't perfect for defeating fragmentation,   well know tsig key draft-andrews-dnsop-defeat-frag-attack-00 can defeat the attack.
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[06:53:26] <Vladimír Čunát> reference: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile/
[06:53:29] <Ted Lemon> well known
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[06:54:22] <Tim Wattenberg> sorry, misread
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[06:54:52] <Suzanne> thanks all, I think we figured out where we need to go, chairs will work with AD
[06:54:54] <Suzanne> ADs
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[07:03:11] <klensin> This presentation is somewhat misrepresenting RFC 1591 and the reasoning behind it and the context and background of 3166, including the status of the reservation space (including the meaning of "never").  Not worth taking up WG time, but the author(s) are welcome to discuss with me offline in either my capacity as a major contributor to 1591 or a liaison to ISO/TC46
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[07:10:58] <Peter Koch> not really an IETF business ...
[07:11:26] <Petr Špaček> [mic] It is not correct to claim that there is no risk of collisions. Collisions *will* happen when two organizations using .ZZ are beging merged with each other, similarly to RFC1918. Main value of the document is documenting what terrible things will happen if you use .ZZ for long enough.
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[07:22:45] <klensin> I apparently was not unmuted.
[07:22:45] <Benno Overeinder> John K, can you requeue?
[07:23:03] <klensin> MIC:  This presentation is somewhat misrepresenting RFC 1591 and the reasoning behind it and the context and background of 3166, including the status of the reservation space (including the meaning of "never").  Not worth taking up WG time, but the author(s) are welcome to discuss with me offline in either my capacity as a major contributor to 1591 or a liaison to ISO/TC46
[07:23:56] <klensin> MIC:  It also misunderstands the relationship between what ISO 3166/MA can do and what ISO/TC 46 can do.  "Reserved" has a funny meaning here.
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[07:26:50] <klensin> @benno: given time constraints, I don't think it is worth trying to debug whatever did[not] happen with Meetecho in real time.
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[07:27:06] <Suzanne> @klensin our apologies.
[07:27:50] <Mark Andrews> :q
[07:28:10] <Peter Koch> @klensin: "exceptionally reserved" is even worse, albeit it might not be relevant here; given the experience in the recent subsequent rounds WT5, really tough @layer9
[07:28:25] <Benno Overeinder> @johnk: thanks
[07:28:28] <klensin> @Suz: I suspect that whatever you did at that end to unmute my audio and video didn't quite work.  Point got made, at least for today, so no problem.
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