dnsop - Tuesday, November 19, 2019

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[09:13:39] <Ted Lemon> Tim, please back away from the microphone a bit.
[09:14:49] <Tim Wattenberg> Ted, is it better now, or should I relay it in the room?
[09:15:16] <Ted Lemon> It's kind of back and forth. Right now he's not clipping, but he definitely doesn't need to be that close.
[09:15:43] <Ted Lemon> I guess it doesn't need to be an interrupt—I was hoping Tim was in front of a jabber feed.
[09:15:55] <Tim Wattenberg> Btw: Everyone, I'm the jabber scribe for today – if you want to have anything relayed at the mic, please prepend it with [mic]
[09:15:58] also remove the mirroring to MIDRA notification
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[09:16:05] <Ted Lemon> Thanks, Tim'!
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[09:16:23] <Dan York> Thank you, Tim!
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[09:17:50] <Tim Wattenberg> Pleasure ;-)
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[09:19:19] <Dan York> (And greetings, Ted, from 2.5 hours north of you! 🙂)
[09:19:49] <Tim Wattenberg> What's the local time for you guys? Must be in the middle of the night, isn't it?
[09:20:21] <Dan York> Tim - This one isn't too bad... it's only 4:19am here in Vermont.
[09:20:28] <Vladimír Čunát> Europe is fortunate.
[09:20:34] <Dan York> Probably will NOT join the Thursday session ;-)
[09:21:02] <Tim Wattenberg> Still tough. Great that you're joining in anyway
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[09:28:31] <Dan York> Is it possible for someone to dismiss the box on the Chromebook "Mirroring to MIDRA Series"? It's kind of annoying to see it down in the lower right. I suspect this is on one of the presentation laptops up on the podium.
[09:29:07] <Tim Wattenberg> Done
[09:29:09] <Dan York> Thank you!
[09:30:34] <Shane Kerr> Sue: the perfect is the enemy of the good. Current zone digest has utility and should go forward, IMHO.
[09:31:02] <Shane Kerr> I don't care whether this is experimental or proposed standard though. :-)
[09:31:08] <Suzanne> @shane is that for the mic?
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[09:31:26] <Shane Kerr> Not necessary, as long as you see it. ;-)
[09:34:30] <Petr Špaček> Experimental sounds good especially because big zones are an open question.
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[09:35:41] <Shane Kerr> I think big zones are known to be a problem with the current approach. However, I don't know why this would argue for experimental?
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[09:37:45] <Petr Špaček> Well, we don't know what size is "too big" in practice, especially on busy slave servers.
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[09:41:38] <Ted Lemon> this seems like a poor use for a scarce bit.
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[09:43:24] <Petr Špaček> [mic] TC=1 in case where EDE overflows seems excessive, so I would say: Drop EDE, do NOT set TC=1. New EDNS bit seems to be out of scope and should be specified in a separate document later.
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[09:44:51] <Ted Lemon> mic: bits are expensive
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[09:48:19] <Shane Kerr> Consensus! :D
[09:50:20] <Shane Kerr> EDNS: hop-by-hop (except when it's not) :|
[09:51:56] <Ted Lemon> Is this the #badattitude chat? I may have missed the memo... :)
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[10:05:04] <Shane Kerr> Not including any structure in the source field invites ad-hoc "standards".
[10:05:29] <Shane Kerr> That may be okay.
[10:05:39] <Petr Špaček> Well, it is not intended for machine consumption so it should be okay.
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[10:06:57] <Petr Špaček> I mean - EDE values should not be used for algorithmic decisions, and identified in form of blob is good enough for display purposes.
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[10:13:36] mic: stop working about chain length. recursive servers already have limits for this
[10:13:59] mic
[10:14:06] mike: keep the 0
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[10:14:50] <Olli Vanhoja> SVCB sounds very good otherwise but I'm worried about how long we need to have a fallback for clients that don't support aliaising with HTTPSSVC. Can I ever be certain that nobody needs an A record at apex for compat?
[10:15:21] <Tim Wattenberg> Olli, mic?
[10:15:22] mic: should is fine. it isn't must
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[10:17:39] <Petr Špaček> [mic] Expanding on chain limits: Any latency would be introduced by site owner who also has incentive NOT to do stupid things to his own site. Also it would be hard to implement special chain lenght limits for just two RR types. Please keep the usual DNS behavior.
[10:17:42] yes
[10:17:55] <Olli Vanhoja> Tim, (Y)
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[10:24:31] <Dan York> mic: Have developers of clients expressed interest in implementing SVCB / HTTPSVC?
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[10:25:11] <Dan York> (i.e. do we have people out there who are excited to implement this?)
[10:25:30] <Tim Wattenberg> (waiting in line)
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[10:26:56] <sftcd> @Dan: I believe some browsers like or are ok with it
[10:27:48] mic: add a sunset date for not using record at apex
[10:28:21] <Vladimír Čunát> :-)
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[10:29:11] mic: wire format needs to be stable for early allocation
[10:30:34] <sftcd> +1 to getting the allocation for HTTPSSVC (or whatever name is used) done soon
[10:32:05] <Suzanne> We'll work with IANA to make sure early allocation isn't requested until it's cooked.
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[10:34:31] <Dan York> Good to hear that Apple and Google Chrome are very interested. That is a very good sign
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[10:35:33] <Dan York> (I just want the "CNAME at apex" functionality...)
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[10:36:26] <sftcd> @Dan: I just want the ESNI stuff:-)
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[10:36:55] <Ted Lemon> Excellent. A slot for discussing/complaining about cookies.
[10:37:11] <John Levine> I want a working version of RRTYPE 40
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[10:37:35] <Dan York> thanks, T?im
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[10:37:40] <Tim Wattenberg> Thanks everyone. "See" you on Thursday (or not, depending on your timezone)
[10:37:42] <Ted Lemon> Next hackathon, John. :)
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[10:38:04] <Dan York> @sftcd: :)
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