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[08:01:03] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Hello all. I'll be here to scribe
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[08:01:23] <york@jabber.isoc.org> If you have something to relay to the mic, please preface it with "MIC:"
[08:01:38] <Jaap Akkerhuis> Morning all
[08:01:41] <Suzanne (co-chair)> Good morning, we'll be starting the session in a couple of minutes
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[08:02:43] <york@jabber.isoc.org> First slides are from the chairs: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-dnsop-sessb-dnsop-chairs-slides-ii-00
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[08:09:25] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Giovana Moura presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-dnsop-dnsop-authoritative-recommendations-01
[08:10:20] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-moura-dnsop-authoritative-recommendations/
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[08:23:05] <Jaap Akkerhuis> Agree with Liman about observations
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[08:31:58] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Willem Toorop presenting
[08:32:15] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-dnsop-sessb-interoperable-dns-server-cookies-00
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[08:32:23] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Draft: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-sury-toorop-dns-cookies-algorithms-00.txt
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[08:40:43] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Suzanne Woolf diving into Special Use Names Registry - https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-dnsop-sessb-guidelines-for-use-of-the-special-use-names-registry-00
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[08:41:29] <york@jabber.isoc.org> [Note - I have to step away for a moment. If anything comes up for the mic, I'd ask for anyone else to relay.]
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[08:42:42] <Tim Wattenberg> -h
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[08:47:22] <york@jabber.isoc.org> [Back]
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[08:57:49] <Amankin> Christian Grothoff’s comment about GNS not using a TLD was very interesting, and you mentioned user experience studies.  But what are the privacy consequences to the users of the collision requests getting into the root servers?
[08:58:28] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Amankin: do you want that related or is that side conversation for this chat room?
[09:01:03] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Warren Kumari at mic with a short remark
[09:01:12] <Amankin> @york it’s a side conversation, no need to relay
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[09:01:56] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Stephen Farrell and Alex Brotman presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-dnsop-sessb-related-domains-by-dns-rdbd-00
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[09:11:33] <each> I was about to get up when the queue got closed, so I'll comment here... 1) this discusses a relationship between two domains but doesn't seem to address how it scales when you have relationships between 3 or 10 or 50.  2) the drafts specifies the link is unidirectional, and I see nothing to prevent myself announcing that my own domain is related to, say, paypal
[09:11:41] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Matthew Pounsett at mic
[09:12:09] <liman> I wonder: can this be unilaterally abused: What if I associate add "liman.se. RDBD rolls-royce.co.uk.", just to ride on their good reputation, even though there is no relation at all?
[09:12:22] <york@jabber.isoc.org> @each - I'm in the queue at the end… and your point #2 was one I was planning to make
[09:12:39] <each> thanks dan
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[09:12:45] <Vicky> we're always talking about wanting input from operators, not the usual IETF participants. that is what this is. So, maybe the uh, proposal isn't great, but could we do something with the requirement?
[09:13:43] <Vladimír Čunát> My understadning is that you'd need record the other way (from their zone) to benefit from their "reputation".
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[09:16:44] <Suzanne (co-chair)> @vicky that's what dbound was, I think people are reluctant to repeat the experience without some reason to believe the outcome wil be different.
[09:19:53] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Matthias Mekking at mic presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-dnsop-sessb-aname-how-to-move-forward-02
[09:20:30] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Oops… Matthijs Mekking … my apologies
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[09:24:09] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-aname-02
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[09:29:25] <york@jabber.isoc.org> Listening to comments… how many of these vendors will implement this draft?
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[09:30:22] <Tony Finch> i would like more descriptions on the list from vendors on how they do ANAME
[09:31:14] <Vladimír Čunát> Yes, it would benefit from more closer participation from them.
[09:32:05] <nygren > +1 that there is a big difference between the vertical integration case (where this may work) and the cross-provider case.
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[09:32:41] <Vicky> the cross-provider use case is what requires a standard implementation
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[09:33:06] <Vladimír Čunát> Perhaps just declaring that they actually do want (or not) interoperability on this point :-)
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[09:34:39] <nygren > yes, but for at least one CDN operator cross-provider would require the other authorities send ECS and be ready to deal with very short TTLs and responses are different for every subnet.
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