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[22:08:07] <Suzanne (co-chair)> We're about to give the two-minute warning and will start promptly at 18:10 local time, set your watches :-)
[22:09:34] <DY2> Initial slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-dnsop-chair-slides-session-2-00
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[22:13:01] <Peter van Dijk> I have heard of ATR and have read the draft
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[22:13:40] <DY2> Davey Song now presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-dnsop-large-responses-00
[22:13:42] <danyork> Davey Song up presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-dnsop-large-responses-00
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[22:22:21] <DY2> Geoff Huston at mic
[22:22:27] <DY2> Ondrey Sury at mic
[22:23:07] <DY2> Shane Kerr at mic
[22:23:11] <Peter van Dijk> MIC: (with risk of some overlap with current mic line): (1) ATR changes a best case (before fragmentation) exchange from two packets in a legitimate situation, into five packets in an attack situation (2) I did not verify the work from RFC7872; the APNIC work is useless because the experiment ignored the EDNS buffer size from the resolver client; thus, we have no useful numbers on how much ATR is helping (3) As a result, we are making amplification attacks a lot worse, and making debugging any DNS situation a lot harder, with no proof that we are improving any real world situation (4) With PowerDNS hat on, we have no intent to implement and we oppose adoption
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[22:23:40] <DY2> ok. Will relay
[22:23:53] <Peter van Dijk> thanks Dan, appreciate it even more given the length of my response!
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[22:28:45] <Peter van Dijk> thanks Dan, always impressed by your capacity for voicing what came in as plain text
[22:28:56] <DY2> :-)
[22:29:25] <Peter van Dijk> i owe you some beverages and/or chocolate of your choice for your relaying this week
[22:29:31] <DY2> :-)
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[22:29:50] <DY2> Now… Tariq Saraj presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-dnsop-iviptr-resource-record-01
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[22:36:44] <DY2> Mark Andrews at mic
[22:37:49] <DY2> Ondrej Sury at mic
[22:39:08] <DY2> Wes Hardaker presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-dnsop-sessa-dns-zone-digest-01
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[22:44:30] <DY2> George Michaelson at mic
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[22:46:03] <DY2> Ondrej at mic
[22:46:50] <DY2> Davey Song at mic
[22:50:04] <DY2> Paul Wouters at mic
[22:51:21] <DY2> Warren Kumari at mic
[22:51:33] <DY2> (Warren is an author of this document)
[22:51:48] <DY2> Jim Reid at mic
[22:52:16] <DY2> Mark Andrews at mic
[22:55:23] <DY2> Paul Hoffman presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/slides-102-dnsop-updating-rfc-7706-01
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[22:59:22] <DY2> George Michaelson at mic
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[23:02:07] <Petr Špaček> MIC: AFAIK all major resolvers decided not to implement 7706 directly and ended up with something little bit different so update is obviously necessary. I support adoption.
[23:02:33] <Danyork> Andrew Sullivan at mic
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[23:02:59] <Danyork> Ray Bellis at mic
[23:03:20] <DY2> Petr Špaček: Will relay
[23:04:37] <Danyork> Ondrej Sury at mic
[23:05:09] <Petr Špaček> @DY2 Thank you!
[23:05:10] <DY2> (me - relaying for Petr)
[23:05:13] <DY2> Lars Liman at mic
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[23:06:24] <Peter van Dijk> cheers to the chairs for managing to cover the whole agenda
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[23:06:44] <Peter van Dijk> and applause for Benno, yes!
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