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[18:14:28] <danyork> I'll scribe.
[18:14:50] <danyork> PLEASE PUT "MIC:" AT THE BEGINNING OF ANY MESSAGES YOU WANT RELAYED TO THE MICROPHONE
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[18:16:21] <danyork> We are on slide 25 of https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-dnsop-sessb-chair-slides-00
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[18:17:30] <danyork> Peter van Dijk is presenting on XPF - Slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-dnsop-sessb-draft-bellis-dnsop-xpf-00
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[18:20:23] <danyork> catching up....
[18:20:27] <danyork> Paul Wouters at mic
[18:20:34] <danyork> Andrew Sullivan at mic
[18:20:40] <danyork> George Michelson at mic
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[18:21:35] <danyork> Ray Bellis at mic
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[18:22:26] <ajs> If I had a nickel for every time something on the Internet was "only supposed to be deployed" one way, I would be able to stay home
[18:22:59] <danyork> 神明達哉 at mic
[18:23:31] <danyork> (which is Tatuya JINMEI  according to paul hoffman)
[18:23:39] <danyork> Lars Liman at mic
[18:24:16] <danyork> ajs: Yes, that is so incredibly true.
[18:24:32] danyork points to the TXT record...
[18:24:39] <danyork> Ray Bellis at mic
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[18:25:35] <danyork> Ray Bellis presenting - https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-dnsop-sessb-catalog-zones-00
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[18:32:36] <danyork> ??? at mic  (was distracted and missed the first person)
[18:32:40] <danyork> Petr Spacek at mic
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[18:33:13] <danyork> First person was Paul Hoffman at mic
[18:33:50] <danyork> Benno at mic
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[18:34:55] <paulwouters> it is so cold in the room, two people lined up are wearing a scarf :P
[18:35:10] <muks> @mic Operators want something like this because external provisoning systems don't well across nameservers, or written for a particular operator, and also are bug prone
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[18:35:30] <danyork> Tony Finch at mic
[18:35:40] <brett carr> In support of Benno we do plan to us some immutable servers at Nominet and as such this is interesting to us.
[18:36:06] <brett carr> But we also will consider using other systems out of DNS such as ansible
[18:36:10] <ajs> I find it hard to imagine that the provisioning systems _across_ name servers will not have any bugs, though
[18:36:15] <ajs> this seems like a bug-amplification machine
[18:36:41] <ajs> I can see the argument either way
[18:37:12] <brett carr> Both options currently being consdidered and as such I will be following the draft carefully
[18:37:24] <ajs> But dismissing this as not being a camel-straw is I think missing a significant point in that alk
[18:37:30] <ajs> talk, even
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[18:37:52] <danyork> Shane Kerr at mic
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[18:38:14] <danyork> muks: for the minutes, what is your name?
[18:38:17] <brett carr> sorry dan my comment was for the mic aswell if there is time to get it in
[18:38:29] <muks> mukund sivaraman, ISC
[18:38:34] <brett carr> if not no worries :)
[18:38:34] <danyork> brett carr: I can relay
[18:39:16] <fanf> netconf :-)
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[18:39:34] <dyork> Peter van Dijk at mic
[18:39:38] <muks> ajs: the current talker ought to address the camel point :)
[18:39:43] <ajs> I feel sad that the DNS is becoming a camel farm
[18:39:49] <dyork> John Dickinson at mic
[18:40:04] <Suzanne> @ajs you mean the internet….not just the DNS…?
[18:40:06] <muks> ajs: it isn't a required feature for implementation.. it's more of an optional extension
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[18:41:02] <brett carr> thanks dan
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[18:42:59] <John Klensin> @ajs: big camel breeding lots of little camels.  What could be more natural?
[18:43:13] <Peter van Dijk (PowerDNS)> two camels breeding lots of little camels would be a lot more natural
[18:43:19] <muks> come on.. DNS became a camel farm years ago
[18:43:44] <ajs> Cross-breeding, I suppose.  Maybe one that grows a horn and makes a sweet noise when squeezed
[18:44:02] <danyork> Shumon presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-dnsop-sessb-multi-provider-dnssec-00
[18:44:05] <muks> even things as far back as TSIG are quirky
[18:45:22] <muks> ECS made the donkey a camel.. ECS is like the most terrible abomination to afflict DNS implementation in the main query path and zone/cache data storage
[18:45:30] <Edward Lewis> processing of CNAME ("chasing"); round robin.  One a documented quirk, the other undocumented
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[18:46:00] <Edward Lewis> where'd that emoji come from?
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[18:49:15] <danyork> Edward Lewis: what emoji?
[18:49:45] <Peter van Dijk (PowerDNS)> @muks we have a solution for the cache hit rate pain but we really need a replacement for ECS that does not need hacks to work at all
[18:49:47] <Edward Lewis> My client converted the ) after "chasing" into an emoji..
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[18:50:12] <Peter van Dijk (PowerDNS)> not here, so your client indeed
[18:50:18] <Edward Lewis> ah
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[18:52:31] <danyork> Karl Henderson at mic
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[18:54:11] <dyork> Matthijs Mekking at mic
[18:54:55] <dyork> Lars Liman at mic
[18:55:03] <danyork> me at mic
[18:55:06] <danyork> Jim Reid at mic
[18:56:06] <Viktor Dukhovni> NASK just signed 450k domains in poland...
[18:57:00] <paulwouters> neat :)
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[18:57:28] <brett carr> nice did you offer an incentive to do that
[18:57:34] <danyork> Matthijs Mekking presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-dnsop-sessb-mixfr-hackathon-results-00
[18:58:06] <Viktor Dukhovni> https://www.dns.pl/nazwa.pl_wprowadza_DNSSEC_dla_domeny_pl.html
[18:58:14] <fanf> jabber-only comment on what jim said: BIND has had dnssec-importkey (which is what you need to implement shumon’s draft) for years; some operation guidance on how to use it would be really helpful
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[19:00:19] <brett carr> i support the adoption of Shumons draft I think documenting this is a good idea
[19:00:55] <danyork> Yes... my comment to reply to Jim was going to be that this is operational guidance to people who already *have* deployed DNSSEC.
[19:02:02] <danyork> If people have deployed DNSSEC ... but then want to use multiple DNS providers ... *without* any easily-discovered guidance, they may simply turn DNSSEC *off*, which is NOT what we want.
[19:02:18] <danyork> George Michaelson at mic
[19:03:06] <brett carr> yes this document may not improve the amount of deployment directly but it will improve the likliehood of deployment going forward
[19:03:18] <danyork> Frederico Neves at mic
[19:04:04] <fanf> sounds like george is talking about things like operational transformation (like ether pad)
[19:04:52] <danyork> Shane Kerr at mic
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[19:06:05] <danyork> Artyom Gavrichenkov presenting https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-dnsop-sessb-dnsapi-00
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[19:06:12] <Thom Peterson> MIC: Draft API is blank - perhaps it should use a similar interface provided by DOH?
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[19:08:18] <Peter van Dijk (PowerDNS)> those not here are sadly missing a small piece of interpretative dance by Petr and Warren
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[19:08:45] <fanf> my favourite article on this topic is https://www.theguardian.com/info/developer-blog/2016/dec/23/multiple-dns-synchronising-dyn-to-aws-route-53 because they used one of my programs
[19:09:13] <Weiler> shall we all start clapping?
[19:09:37] <muks> after bert's talk, almost everything is getting the camel treatment..
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[19:10:49] <Thom Peterson> Thank you, whomever did the speaking business.
[19:10:49] <dyork> Me
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[19:11:45] <danyork> Petr Spacek at mic
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[19:12:14] <danyork> And we're done....
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[19:12:19] <danyork> See you at IETF 102
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[19:12:43] <brett carr> Thanks
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