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[01:28:26] <tale > Good morning y'all
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[01:30:53] <joel jaeggli> welcome to dnsop / agenda
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[01:33:36] <joel jaeggli> sorry rfc 8244
[01:33:53] <joel jaeggli> document status
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[01:35:59] <joel jaeggli> slide new stuff
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[01:36:17] <John Woodworth> Good morning
[01:37:23] <joel jaeggli> new working group business
[01:37:32] <joel jaeggli> first presentation
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[01:37:49] <joel jaeggli> terinology bis paul hoffmoan presenting
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[01:40:09] <joel jaeggli> slide 4 - short list of focus ites before last call
[01:40:28] <Andrew Sullivan> Much harder to understand Paul when he turns away from the mic :-)
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[01:41:35] <Desiree Miloshevic> what is the dns? an eternal question. :-)
[01:42:19] <Suzanne (co-chair)> he seems to be staying close enough to the mic the last few moments but it's hard to tell up here
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[01:42:34] <Suzanne (co-chair)> so let us know
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[01:43:57] <joel jaeggli> slide 7 - addng new terms
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[01:46:31] <joel jaeggli> alexey ? - volunteering to review docuent, local anycast?
[01:46:57] <Andrew Sullivan> Alex Meyerhofer
[01:47:07] <joel jaeggli> stephan bortzmeyer - small disagreement of the way the qnae issue is presented
[01:47:08] <Andrew Sullivan> we know who they are and we are taking names :->
[01:47:28] <Suzanne (co-chair)> @ajs — they can run but they can't hide?
[01:47:59] <Andrew Sullivan> Well, but we're not spelling the names correctly.  Mayrhofer
[01:47:59] <Andrew Sullivan> and yes
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[01:48:54] <joel jaeggli> bill manning - terminology is not static
[01:49:01] <Andrew Sullivan> I don't think anyone is trying to pour concrete
[01:50:08] <joel jaeggli> andrew sullivan - problem of writing dctionaries
[01:51:39] <joel jaeggli> proposed jan 15 for a wg last call unless there's to much activity in the mean time
[01:51:54] <joel jaeggli> next presentation - 5011 security considerations
[01:52:07] <joel jaeggli> wes hardacker presentation
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[01:56:58] <Suzanne (co-chair)> audio seems irregular at least at the front mic…. how's remote sound?
[01:57:18] <Andrew Sullivan> In the back of the room the audio cut in and out
[01:57:24] <John Woodworth> audio is good remotely, maybe in-room monitor?
[01:57:49] <Andrew Sullivan> (but now I had to go next door to experience an i18n woodchipper discussion, so I can't report current conditions)
[01:58:10] <Suzanne (co-chair)> have pinged @meetecho
[01:58:18] <joel jaeggli> slide - should this be published at all
[01:58:29] <Desiree Miloshevic> audio is working fine remotely for me too, another hotel in SIN
[01:58:29] <meetecho> Which issues are you experiencing? It sounds fine in our monitors
[01:58:39] <Suzanne (co-chair)> In the room, mics seem to be cutting in and out
[01:59:00] <joel jaeggli> george michaaelson  - useful slide to leave up for discussion
[01:59:04] <meetecho> Suzanne (co-chair): we'll notify the A/V team
[01:59:37] <joel jaeggli> I sent a note to the secretariat
[02:00:08] <Suzanne (co-chair)> OK, need to review protocol for contacting in-room A/V, but thx Joel and @meetecho
[02:00:38] <meetecho> Suzanne (co-chair): no problem for us to relay :)
[02:00:57] <Andrew Sullivan> Re BP#1: FWIW, I think there is a topic here that needs a document.  I can't make up my mind about whether _this_ is that document, though I tend to think so.
[02:01:09] <Andrew Sullivan> Partly because it is the document we have.
[02:01:19] <joel jaeggli> ? is speaking
[02:01:24] <Suzanne (co-chair)> David Lawrence
[02:01:58] <joel jaeggli> joe bley
[02:02:02] <joel jaeggli> abley
[02:02:35] <tale > George Michaelson was the first at the mic
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[02:07:00] <Suzanne (co-chair)> If you go to the mic, please state your name loudly and clearly, for the jabber scribe!! When I get back a mic, I'll say that in the room too :)
[02:07:30] <Hugo Salgado> (Eric Osterweil?)
[02:07:37] <joel jaeggli> tim wickinski
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[02:08:41] <joel jaeggli> next presentation - dnsop extended errors
[02:08:51] <joel jaeggli> wes hardacker presenting
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[02:11:13] <Suzanne (co-chair)> naturally the mic problem didn't happen while Amy (secretariat) was here to check it out, so we'll try again if it happens again.
[02:11:58] <joel jaeggli> paul hoffman
[02:12:33] <joel jaeggli> stephan bortzmeyer
[02:13:47] <joel jaeggli> joe abley
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[02:14:44] <joel jaeggli> ?
[02:15:01] <joel jaeggli> alex M
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[02:18:25] <joel jaeggli> stephan bortzmeyer
[02:19:19] <joel jaeggli> erick ?
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[02:22:58] <joel jaeggli> stephan bortzmeyer
[02:23:35] <joel jaeggli> next presentation - let localhost be localhost
[02:23:44] <joel jaeggli> tm wickinski
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[02:28:00] <joel jaeggli> ray bellis  present dns xpf
[02:30:09] <joel jaeggli> suzanne wolf
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[02:32:32] <joel jaeggli> next presentation - k fujiwara
[02:33:23] <joel jaeggli> dnsop multiplee responses
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[02:42:56] <joel jaeggli> ? isc
[02:43:19] <Colin Petrie> (Ondřej Surý)
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[02:47:48] <tale > s/mogen/Mukund/
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[02:51:48] <joel jaeggli> ?
[02:51:52] <Suzanne (co-chair)> Davey Song, BII
[02:53:16] <joel jaeggli> isobel - isoc fellow
[02:53:55] <joel jaeggli> paul hoffman
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[03:00:09] <joel jaeggli> next presentation daniel migualt  dnssec validator requirements
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[03:01:13] <Suzanne (co-chair)> @meetecho we had two mics cut out at once a second ago, but they came right back….ghosts in the machine, I guess
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[03:03:38] <Mark Andrews> laser pointers don't work with meetcho
[03:04:43] <Andrew Sullivan> They don't work in the room either, it would appear :)  
[03:06:28] <joel jaeggli> mathew
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[03:10:40] <joel jaeggli> russ mundy
[03:12:01] <Andrew Sullivan> Like Russ, I have no idea what "sudden revocation" means.  If the DNSKEY rrset is cached then you won't see the suddenly-revoked key
[03:12:02] <joel jaeggli> wess hardacker
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[03:12:19] <Andrew Sullivan> if it is not cached, then you are getting a new DNSKEY RRset
[03:12:41] <Andrew Sullivan> and then it is possible that you have some RRSIGs signed by a key that is now gone or marked as revoked
[03:13:04] <Andrew Sullivan> and I think this case is covered nicely by the timing documents already
[03:13:05] <Willem Toorop> TTL limit RRs in cache, but what about serve-stale?
[03:13:28] <joel jaeggli> daune wessels
[03:13:40] <Andrew Sullivan> This is the problem with serve-stale in a DNSSEC-validating environment :)
[03:13:55] <joel jaeggli> jim
[03:14:19] <Willem Toorop> yes... with server-stale data will be valid until RRSIGs expire...
[03:14:27] <Willem Toorop> or not valid, but served
[03:14:28] <joel jaeggli> suzannne wolf
[03:14:42] <joel jaeggli> hum ready for adoption
[03:14:58] <joel jaeggli> not a clear outcome
[03:15:28] <joel jaeggli> ted lemon
[03:15:44] <joel jaeggli> hum now work not worth doing?
[03:15:46] <Andrew Sullivan> Given the number of people who read the draft, I don't see how there's any conclusion to readh
[03:15:47] <Andrew Sullivan> reach
[03:15:48] <joel jaeggli> not clear
[03:15:54] <Andrew Sullivan> (I am among the not-read people)
[03:16:17] <joel jaeggli> next presentation - geoff huston
[03:16:29] <joel jaeggli> ksk roll readyness
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[03:21:21] <Suzanne (co-chair)> @ajs agreed, and the hum said that. But sometimes people get uncomfortable with having a draft take up agenda time through multiple meetings and not move into a defined state. Just trying to serve the people.
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[03:28:17] <Andrew Sullivan> I'm a little worried about how this thing might interact with the way BAD caches are populated and maintained.  But I haven't been able to work out what might happen there.
[03:28:19] <Suzanne (co-chair)> Was Ray Bellis, now Ondrej Sury, both ISC
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[03:31:17] <joel jaeggli> next presentation  - francis dupont rfc 2845 bis
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[03:35:33] <joel jaeggli> thanks
[03:36:10] <Andrew Sullivan> If you follow this plan, the document will never close, if prior experience is any guide
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[03:38:05] <joel jaeggli> next presentation warren kumari - .interal
[03:38:08] <Andrew Sullivan> This is not "somewhat icky", this is a terrible terrible idea
[03:40:40] <Andrew Sullivan> Also, since "internal" is so long, I propose we use "int" instead :-P
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[03:46:34] <Andrew Sullivan> I will point out that the other meeting I stepped out to (in dispatch) included the observation that IDNA was maybe a mistake
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[03:48:40] <Andrew Sullivan> "The IETF is an easier place to discuss this" is an _incredibly bad_ reason to discuss it here.  We gave that problem away _on purpose_
[03:49:13] <joel jaeggli> stuart chesire
[03:50:35] <Andrew Sullivan> Stuart is mischaracterising the comments at the mic.  Nobody is suggesting that people don't want this, and I fully understand why people want to do this.  The point is that it's not our job, and this is just ordinary DNS.
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[03:52:09] <Andrew Sullivan> fewer than 5!
[03:52:22] <joel jaeggli> john L
[03:52:36] <Andrew Sullivan> The resolvers are already out there, so we don't have the ability to make it a condom
[03:52:52] <joel jaeggli> highlights and review tim wicinkiski
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[03:55:29] <tale > Wait I just became confused.  Thursday is still cancelled, yes?
[03:55:56] <joel jaeggli> stuart chesire - wrap up of dns stateful opperations
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