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shane_kerr has set the subject to: DNSOP at IETF94 - http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsop/agenda (can-DO for more than 15 years)
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[19:22:03] DanYork has set the subject to: DNSOP at IETF95
[19:22:17] <DanYork> Slide: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/95/slides/slides-95-dnsop-0.pdf
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[19:23:11] <DanYork> Slide: Agenda, Session Two
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[19:23:36] <DanYork> Slide: "Document Updates"
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[19:23:47] <DanYork> Slide: "Since Our Last Meeting"
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[19:24:02] <DanYork> I'll be jabber scribing.  Do we have people remote?
[19:24:34] <DanYork> IF YOU WANT SOMETHING RELAYED TO THE MIC, please put "MIC:" before it.
[19:24:52] <DanYork> (And if you are IN the room, you have to go to the mic yourself... :-) )
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[19:25:31] <DanYork> We're up to slide 10 about DNS cookies
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[19:26:22] <DanYork> Slide 11
[19:27:18] <DanYork> Slide 12
[19:27:22] <DanYork> And he's done...
[19:27:59] <DanYork> Paul Hoffman now speaking about "resolver priming"
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[19:28:12] <DanYork> draft-ietf-dnsop-resolver-priming
[19:28:13] <Suzanne (co-chair)> @Dan, thanks!
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[19:29:12] <DanYork> Olafur presenting https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/95/slides/slides-95-dnsop-5.pdf
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[19:29:54] <DanYork> Haha... I read the title slide as "Refuse ANY Roadblock Avoidance" ...
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[19:30:23] <DanYork> Slide 3: "Refuse ANY"
[19:30:32] <DanYork> Slide 4 - there is running code
[19:30:49] <DanYork> Paul Wouters at mic
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[19:32:52] <DanYork> Tim as chair raising the question of "Informational" vs "Standard"
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[19:33:24] <DanYork> By the way, we're on Slide 5 "Maintain DS"
[19:33:32] <DanYork> Shane Kerr at mic
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[19:34:27] <jacques latour> htere are multiple ways
[19:34:53] <DanYork> jacques latour: Hello there! Bonjour!
[19:35:07] <jacques latour> :-)
[19:35:11] <DanYork> If you want anything relayed please preface it with "MIC:"
[19:35:39] <DanYork> Stephane presenting https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/95/slides/slides-95-dnsop-1.pdf
[19:36:01] <DanYork> Up to slide 4 in the time it took me to write that and find the URL
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[19:37:57] <DanYork> Ha... the good news is Stephane's slides have numbers in the bottom right.  The BAD news is that ALL slides have the number "4"
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[19:38:08] <DanYork> We're up to slide 10 "Lasting issues"
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[19:41:04] <DanYork> Slide 14 - all slides done
[19:41:12] <DanYork> Stephane asks... now what?
[19:41:19] <DanYork> Ted Lemon at mic
[19:42:16] <Marek Vavrusa> MIC:  `dig A com.akadns.net` returns NXDOMAIN, if resolvers abide by this the whole Akamai DNS will be off (QNAME minimisation WILL stumble upon that record)
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[19:42:41] <DanYork> Marek Vavrusa: I will relay
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[19:43:07] <Marek Vavrusa> thanks!
[19:44:08] <David Lawrence> FWIW, under the "in a signed zone" constraint it would work with AKamai too
[19:44:17] <David Lawrence> our problem is limited to unsigned zones
[19:44:47] <Marek Vavrusa> this is a fair point for this case
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[19:45:11] <Marek Vavrusa> it'd be awesome if somebody did a scan on Alexa 1M to find out how much stuff is broken
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[19:45:21] <DanYork> Shumon Huque at mic
[19:45:37] <Trouble Maker> at least we are talking about DNS auth servers that are maintained :-) rather than some abandon ware
[19:46:41] <David Lawrence> believe me its annoying me as much as anyone that our fix still hasn't been deployed.   turns out having customers rely on bad behaviour makes things not as easy to dispatch as i would hope.
[19:47:12] <David Lawrence> (there's a wildcard vs ENT interaction)
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[19:48:26] <Marek Vavrusa> Just a shout out, I really like the idea
[19:48:48] <DanYork> Duane Wessels presenting https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/95/slides/slides-95-dnsop-7.pdf
[19:48:59] <DanYork> Slide 2
[19:49:27] <Marek Vavrusa> David: on behalf of recursive implementors, thanks for making it happen nevertheless
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[19:50:23] <DanYork> Slide 4: Since Last Time
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[19:50:43] <bortzmeyer> DanYork: blame the Beamer stylesheet
[19:51:27] <DanYork> Slide 6
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[19:51:36] <DanYork> Slide 7 - EDNS0 Encoding - forwarding
[19:52:10] <DanYork> Slide 8 - Qname Encoding
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[19:57:48] <Shakti maan> hummmmm
[19:57:56] <Shakti maan> hummmmm
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[19:59:21] <DanYork> Shakti maan: Are you in the write jabber chat?  We aren't asking for a hum here.
[19:59:42] <DanYork> Lars Liman at mic
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[20:00:31] <DanYork> REMOTE ATTENDEES ... if you are going to hum, please FOR WHAT you are humming, i.e. "hum for adoption", "hum against", etc.
[20:00:46] <Peter Koch> hum for Warren, he's right
[20:00:49] <DanYork> ^ please *write* FOR WHAT ...
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[20:03:27] <DanYork> Olafur at mic
[20:03:44] <DanYork> should we continue with work
[20:03:50] <DanYork> should we kill the work
[20:03:57] <DanYork> hums in favor of continuing
[20:04:10] <DanYork> Olafur at mic
[20:04:35] <DanYork> Note: please kick Time
[20:04:40] <DanYork> er... Tim
[20:05:41] <DanYork> NSEC5 is scheduled to be presented briefly in SAAG
[20:06:20] <DanYork> Now... Shane Kerr presenting at https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/95/slides/slides-95-dnsop-4.pdf
[20:06:34] <David Lawrence> When did Paul say the NSEC5 preso was?
[20:06:49] <David Lawrence> Oh you just said, thanks Dan
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[20:08:32] <Suzanne (co-chair)> With apologies for any awkwardness— we were ahead on time so asked Shane to move his preso up to today, thanks to all for being flexible. The rest of the Session 2 agenda for Friday stands.
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[20:12:53] <DanYork> Last slide - Adoption?
[20:13:19] <DanYork> Shane gets points for a photo of a cute kitten
[20:14:11] <DanYork> Paul Hoffman at mic - wants to see both adopted
[20:14:15] <Marek Vavrusa> MIC: What made you go with transporting raw DNS messages then? The DNS wire -> JSON transformation cost is dwarfed by the transport cost and there's much more value for consumers to get "easy to read" DNS contents.
[20:14:55] <DanYork> Marek Vavrusa: Will relay
[20:15:03] <bortzmeyer> Marek Vavrusa: one of the big reasons: this way, *every* DNS request and option will work.
[20:15:22] <bortzmeyer> Marek Vavrusa:  with a JSON mapping, some things will be difficult/impossible to express
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[20:16:14] <Marek Vavrusa> which (in my opinion) is what DNS consumers cost, designing all this for tunneling only is strange
[20:16:23] <Marek Vavrusa> s/cost/want
[20:16:24] <jacques latour> JSON with enhanced  DNSSEC error reporting ;-)
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[20:19:37] <DanYork> Me at the mic relaying Marek and then speaking myself
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[20:20:00] <Marek Vavrusa> very good points by Lars
[20:20:32] <DanYork> Robert Edmonds at mic
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[20:21:24] <bortzmeyer> https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/dns
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[20:21:41] <DanYork> Robert at mic - he agrees with Microsoft!
[20:21:49] <resnick> Is Microsoft in the room?
[20:21:56] <resnick> What does he or she look like?
[20:22:14] <DanYork> :-)
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[20:22:34] <DanYork> And we're done...
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