dnsop - Thursday, March 14, 2013

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Thursday, March 14, 2013< ^ >

Peter Koch has set the subject to: next DNSOP meeting at IETF 85 in Atlanta

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[20:11:11] Peter Koch has set the subject to: next DNSOP meeting at IETF 86 in Orlando
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[21:27:08] <Paul Wouters> stream at http://nagasaki.bogus.com:8000/stream06 is down?
[21:27:29] <danyork> Hi Paul
[21:27:55] <danyork> Link I have for audio is http://ietf86streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf867.m3u
[21:28:00] <Hugo Salgado> It was working few minutes ago
[21:28:06] <Hugo Salgado> Now is down
[21:28:21] <danyork> I'll email NOC
[21:29:01] <Paul Wouters> that just contains the real stream url: http://nagasaki.bogus.com:8000/stream07
[21:29:19] <Paul Wouters> which gives a 404
[21:29:58] <danyork> I reported it to the NOC
[21:31:50] <john > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-dnsop-4.pdf
[21:31:57] <john > slide 1
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[21:32:49] <danyork> New rule - DNSOP jabber scribes must have last names of only 4 letters
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[21:32:59] <john > slide 2 - note well
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[21:33:34] <john > slide 4
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[21:35:01] <Paul Wouters> no one has audio? or is it just me?
[21:35:14] <john > @paul its down for everyone i belive
[21:35:17] <danyork> It seems to be down.  I've filed a ticket with the NOC
[21:35:18] <Hugo Salgado> no audio
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[21:35:42] <danyork> Stephen is stepping down as chair.  Joel Jaeggli at mic talking about this change
[21:36:49] <john > Joel asking for volunteers or suggestions for a replacement
[21:37:19] <john > slide 5 - Agenda Bash
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[21:37:40] <john > SLide 6 - Status Report
[21:40:35] <john > Key timing draft:  There are some comments which need to be added to the draft from WGLC.  Revision will be reviewed by Peter and sent to AD
[21:40:36] <Paul Wouters> audio is working now
[21:40:43] <john > great :)
[21:40:53] <danyork> Andrew Sullivan at mic
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[21:43:04] <Hugo Salgado> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-dnsop-0.pdf ?
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[21:43:38] <john > Slide 5
[21:44:17] <john > Slide 6
[21:44:22] <danyork> How many people do we have who are remote?
[21:44:27] <john > Sorry internet went a bit bad
[21:45:06] <danyork> We have not one but *two* Jabber scribes available today - john bond (<john>) and myself.
[21:45:07] <Hugh_Daniel> I can find no sound server.
[21:45:14] <john > Slide 7
[21:45:24] <danyork> Hugh_Daniel: Try http://ietf86streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf867.m3u
[21:45:35] <john > Slide 8
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[21:45:46] <Paul Wouters> I'm remote
[21:45:50] <danyork> If you want a question relayed please use "mic:" and one of us will relay.
[21:46:01] <danyork> Thanks, Paul
[21:46:06] <Hugh_Daniel> I was told: http://nagasaki.bogus.com:8000/stream06
[21:46:18] <john > slide 9
[21:46:21] <Hugh_Daniel> JUST started working.
[21:46:29] <john > slide 10
[21:46:49] <danyork> Hugh_Daniel: URLs are the same, the one I pasted in redirects to the one you have.
[21:46:56] <john > slide 11 RRsets or not
[21:47:11] <john > slide 12 - Unknown RRs
[21:47:33] <john > Slide 13 - Binary
[21:48:29] <john > Questions?
[21:48:53] <danyork> Peter Koch asks how many people have read the draft. 15-ish people raise their hands.
[21:49:12] <danyork> Alex Mayrhofer at the mic
[21:49:22] <john > Switched to slide 4 - Big questions
[21:50:04] <Peter Koch> ~ 50 people in the room (// weirds and WCIT)
[21:50:25] <weiler> stephane is overdriving the mic.  is that a problem for those on the stream?
[21:50:38] <danyork> Andrew Sullivan at mic - Dyn has use cases for this
[21:50:54] <Hugo Salgado> @weiler no problem
[21:50:57] <danyork> Andrew has heard of others who have a use case for this
[21:51:16] <danyork> Andrew asks if this should be coordinated with a new JSON working group being spun up
[21:51:27] <danyork> Paul Hoffman at mic
[21:51:46] <danyork> Paul - JSON working group does NOT need to be consulted.
[21:51:57] <danyork> Chris Griffiths at mic
[21:52:11] <danyork> Chris - thinks that this is a good draft
[21:52:25] <danyork> George Michaelson at mic - supports this draft
[21:54:30] <john > Chris Griffiths - http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-dnsop-2.pdf
[21:54:33] <danyork> Peter Koch closed mic lines... further questions to the list
[21:54:49] <john > Slide 2
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[21:55:00] <john > slide 3
[21:55:28] <bortzmeyer> weiler: sorry for the mic
[21:55:47] <john > Slide 4 - Open Questions
[21:56:05] <weiler> that mic is really hot.  which absolves you of some of the guilt.
[21:56:56] <john > Slide 5 - For the Next Version
[21:57:19] <danyork> Chris Griffiths gets the prize for most cat photos in a slide deck
[21:57:23] <john > Slide 6 - Anything Else?
[21:57:55] <john > Questions?
[21:58:02] <danyork> Ed Lewis at mic
[21:58:09] <john > Slide 4 - Open Questions
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[22:00:19] <danyork> Warren Kumari at mic
[22:03:06] <john > Olafur Gudmunsson - http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-dnsop-1.pdf
[22:03:25] <john > Slide 2 - Goal
[22:03:33] <john > Slide 3
[22:04:03] <john > Slide 4 - Childs view
[22:04:11] <danyork> On the Negative Trust Anchors draft, Peter Koch asked for reviewers ... about 10 people said they would.  Interest was positive in adopting this as a working group draft.
[22:05:13] <john > Slide 5 - Why DS first
[22:05:17] <Peter Koch> I hope somebody caught the reviewers' names or they'll be audible on the audio recording
[22:05:26] <Andrew Sullivan> I volunteered
[22:05:37] <john > Slide 6 - CDS
[22:06:40] <john > Slide 7 - CDS protocol 101
[22:07:02] <Suzanne Woolf> I have seven names: Dan, Andrew, Ed, Olafur, Warren, Sam, and myself.
[22:07:21] <john > Slide 8 - CDS Reactions
[22:07:46] <john > Slide 9 - Path forward
[22:09:48] <john > Questions?
[22:10:11] <danyork> Chris Griffiths at mic
[22:10:27] <danyork> Wes Hardaker at mic
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[22:11:29] <danyork> Andrew Sullivan at mic
[22:11:45] <Paul Wouters> dan is fast our my audio is 10s slow
[22:12:07] <Paul Wouters> hear hear!
[22:12:59] <jelte> i reduced my cache to 250kb, it's pretty up-to-date now compared to jabber scribe
[22:13:55] <john > Lars liman at the mike
[22:14:28] <john > Roy Arends at the mike
[22:15:24] <john > Dan York at the mike
[22:16:35] <john > Ed Lewis at the mike
[22:17:24] <weiler> (warren is standing on a chair, at the mic)
[22:17:33] <jelte> ah :)
[22:18:19] <john > Warren Kumari at the mike
[22:18:22] <Andrew Sullivan> Apparently I am the token registrar in the room!
[22:18:50] <weiler> (no more chair)
[22:19:03] <jelte> add a button ´check now' to your web interface? :p
[22:19:10] <danyork> Brian Dickson at the mic - Verisign fully supports this
[22:20:04] <weiler> chair, in this case, meaning "inanimate object designed to support a sitting person".  not stephen.  sadly.
[22:20:20] <danyork> Brian - Verisign would be willing to help with implementations
[22:20:28] <danyork> Chris Griffiths at mic
[22:20:51] <danyork> Johan Ihren at mic
[22:21:23] <Andrew Sullivan> +eleventy billion
[22:21:36] <Andrew Sullivan> we can create these techniques now
[22:21:43] <Andrew Sullivan> we should do so
[22:21:44] <Paul Wouters> mic: reviewer
[22:21:57] <john > roughly 10 −15 hands
[22:22:27] <danyork> +1 to comments from Johan to Andrew
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[22:22:32] <john > Warren Kumari - http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-dnsop-3.pdf
[22:22:41] <john > Slide 2
[22:22:47] <john > Slide 3
[22:23:19] <john > Slide 4 - Solution space
[22:24:14] <john > Slide 5 - Omniscience for all!
[22:25:39] <john > Slide 6 - What do we return
[22:27:10] <Andrew Sullivan> Is anyone else made airsick by the potential for LE and government appropriation of this on the grounds that "it's already there & therefore clearly there's technical consensus it's ok"?
[22:27:39] <john > Questions?
[22:28:28] <Suzanne Woolf> AJS: bug or feature? :(
[22:28:37] <Andrew Sullivan> I can't decide
[22:28:48] <john > Roy Arends at the mic
[22:29:47] <john > Ed Lewis at the mike
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[22:30:01] <jelte> 300, apparently :p
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[22:31:44] <Paul Wouters> tempted to throw in a DNAME bone and quickly close the door from the outside :)
[22:31:51] <Andrew Sullivan> hehe
[22:31:51] <jelte> lol
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[22:32:43] <Paul Wouters> .belkin won't be noise for much longer :)
[22:32:52] <Paul Wouters> didnt they apply for a tld?
[22:33:06] <danyork> Andrew Sullivan at mic
[22:33:07] <bortzmeyer> Omniscient name servers with NOERROR have another problem: you need custom software
[22:33:11] <danyork> Lars at mic
[22:33:50] <Andrew Sullivan> bortzmeyer: not necessarily.  You could put a private type at every such owner name
[22:34:02] <Andrew Sullivan> NOERROR+NODATA would be correct in that case
[22:34:08] <weiler> Lars: are you creating a reflection attack vector?
[22:34:16] <bortzmeyer> Andrew Sullivan: but you need to generate the "dummy" SOA.
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[22:34:30] <Andrew Sullivan> well, sure.
[22:34:35] <jelte> but you need to do that in both cases, right?
[22:34:47] <bortzmeyer> Andrew Sullivan:  this requires specific software (or pre-populated zones for all the levels - think ip6.arpa)
[22:35:08] <bortzmeyer> jelte:  with NXDOMAIN, you could just do it at a higher level in the tree
[22:35:09] <Andrew Sullivan> It is true that if you want to deploy software-based systems, you have to deploy some software.
[22:35:29] <Andrew Sullivan> I still can't make up my mind whether it's a good idea in the first place
[22:35:40] <danyork> And we're done...
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[22:36:03] <jelte> there is the more protocolfundamentalist problem that you are happily answering for zones which you weren´t configured for :p
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