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[00:26:47] Peter Koch has set the subject to: DNSOP meeting in Vancouver(IETF84) starting 0030 UTC (5 mins)
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[00:30:30] <Andrew Newton> Peter Koch opens meeting. Note Well
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[00:31:03] <Andrew Newton> Slide: Administrivia
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[00:32:23] <Andrew Newton> remote particpants? audio check?
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[00:32:44] <Simon Perreault> i'm currently presenting in BEHAVE, please let me know if/when there is time for my presentation at the end
[00:32:46] <Andrew Newton> anybody remote. if you are, please indicate if the sound is good or you need somethng said at the mike
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[00:33:04] <Andrew Newton> Simon, which presentation?
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[00:33:13] <Andrew Newton> slide: agenda
[00:33:18] <Simon Perreault> DNS MIB, at the very end
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[00:33:37] <Andrew Newton> slide: status report
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[00:35:19] <Andrew Newton> slide: status report/post wglc documents
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[00:37:01] <Andrew Newton> stephen is descirbing the IESG discuss on dps-framework
[00:37:51] Peter Koch has set the subject to: DNSOP meeting in Vancouver(IETF84) in progress
[00:38:05] <Andrew Newton> no questions on that slide
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[00:38:20] <Andrew Newton> next presnetation is key timing
[00:38:29] <Andrew Newton> slide 2
[00:38:38] <Andrew Newton> slide 2: latest changes
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[00:39:55] <Peter Koch> @Simon Perreault: ack, will know by 1815
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[00:40:01] <Simon Perreault> thanks
[00:40:06] <Andrew Newton> stephen: should we still publish key timing draft?
[00:40:21] <Andrew Newton> how many read doc? 15
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[00:40:43] <Andrew Newton> mattias: important to continue work
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[00:40:49] <pawal> correction, matthijs
[00:41:06] <Andrew Newton> thx
[00:41:30] <Andrew Newton> john: ??
[00:41:47] <Andrew Newton> andrew sullivan: last meeting we said this. just ship it
[00:41:48] <pawal> john dickinson, now andrew sullivan
[00:41:58] <Andrew Newton> paul hoffman: kill it
[00:42:48] <Andrew Newton> paul hoffman: kill it because a bis document is coming
[00:43:07] <Andrew Newton> mattijs: disagrees with andrew sullivan
[00:43:47] <Andrew Newton> matthijs: there is an implementation on the current draft.
[00:44:09] <Andrew Newton> stephen: is bis document based on your experience?
[00:44:28] <Andrew Newton> matthijs: this doc is not flexible enough
[00:45:00] <Andrew Newton> matthijs: basically, yes
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[00:45:24] <Andrew Newton> andrew sullivan: don't care if we ship it or not. care that we don't have this discussion again
[00:45:50] <Andrew Newton> andrew sullivan: right now we are not giving any advice (in response to paul)
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[00:46:16] <Andrew Newton> bill manning: we are not gonna get perfection
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[00:46:36] <Andrew Newton> bill manning: would like to see this published
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[00:48:01] <Andrew Newton> peter: anybody see issues with the current document
[00:48:07] <Andrew Newton> peter notes no hands
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[00:48:30] <Andrew Newton> peter: of those who read the doc, how many think it is ready for lc
[00:48:34] <Andrew Newton> peter notes 10ish
[00:48:38] <Andrew Newton> peter: not ready?
[00:48:42] <Andrew Newton> peter notes no hands
[00:48:56] <Andrew Newton> peter: will issue lc
[00:49:13] <ogud> when will the LC be issued ?
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[00:50:07] <Andrew Newton> peter: before atlanta
[00:50:32] <Andrew Newton> warren up with dnsop-omniscient-as112
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[00:50:50] <Andrew Newton> slide 1
[00:51:06] <Andrew Newton> slide 2
[00:52:30] <Andrew Newton> slide 3
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[00:53:02] <Andrew Newton> slide 4
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[00:54:11] <Andrew Newton> slide 5
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[00:55:26] <dyork> "Omniscient AS112 Servers" makes me think more of SkyNet ;-)
[00:55:56] <Andrew Newton> slide 6
[00:56:19] <Andrew Newton> slide 7
[00:56:34] <Andrew Newton> slide 8
[00:56:44] <Andrew Newton> slide 9
[00:57:30] <Andrew Newton> slide 10
[00:57:53] <Andrew Newton> slide 11
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[00:58:24] <Andrew Newton> mark andrews: points out queries need to be done with default local zones off
[00:58:31] <Andrew Newton> warren: worked with bind
[00:58:36] <Andrew Newton> mark andrews: no
[00:59:03] <Andrew Newton> warren: original thought was to synthesize on the fly
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[01:00:11] <Andrew Newton> george michaelson: disputing saying this ends all future drafts on as112
[01:00:33] <Andrew Newton> peter: noted
[01:00:52] <Andrew Newton> george: this kind of proposal makes sense
[01:01:16] <Andrew Newton> peter: opinion on root
[01:01:35] <Andrew Newton> george: are there no side effects?
[01:01:40] <Andrew Newton> warren: no ( joking )
[01:01:57] <Andrew Newton> bill manning: bad idea fairy wand passing
[01:02:32] <Andrew Newton> bill: might work if you put wildcard in existing roots
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[01:02:40] <pawal> bill is joking
[01:03:09] <Andrew Newton> bill: if authoritative for the root, how is this different than people who run their own roots. are you gonna sign this?
[01:03:18] <Andrew Newton> warren: not gonna sign
[01:03:40] <Andrew Newton> warren: not different than an indie root, but motivation is different
[01:04:04] <Andrew Newton> oujey?: it is different
[01:04:14] <ray> (Ondrej Sury)
[01:04:57] <Andrew Newton> liman?: whay lie
[01:05:12] <Andrew Newton> ray, you can correct my bad name spellings :)
[01:05:27] <Andrew Sullivan> Lars Johan Liman, yes
[01:05:31] <pawal> lars-johan liman :)
[01:05:39] <Andrew Newton> I got it right!
[01:06:11] <Andrew Newton> liman: a little to easy to delegate these and have stuff disappear
[01:06:19] <Andrew Newton> warren: this could be an attractive nuisance
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[01:06:55] <Andrew Newton> warren: if bill is right, do people think this is worth persuing
[01:07:08] <Andrew Newton> warren: if we fix it, interest in adopting
[01:07:19] <Andrew Newton> peter interrupts
[01:07:27] <Andrew Newton> peter: question is premature
[01:08:25] <Andrew Newton> next, secure update use cases
[01:08:35] <Andrew Newton> by paul wouters
[01:09:01] <Andrew Newton> slide 2
[01:09:14] <Andrew Newton> slide 3
[01:10:47] <Andrew Newton> slide 4
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[01:11:33] <Andrew Newton> slide 5
[01:12:07] <Andrew Newton> peter: how many read draft?
[01:12:12] <Andrew Newton> peter notes 10 to 15
[01:12:42] <Andrew Newton> andrew sullivan: good startng point. support adoption
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[01:13:04] <Andrew Newton> sullivan: more work to do on use cases. parralelism is bad idea
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[01:13:47] <Andrew Newton> mark andrews: work we need to do
[01:14:02] <Andrew Newton> johan: in favor
[01:14:26] <Andrew Newton> johan: not clear this is a dns issue
[01:15:30] <Andrew Newton> ??: was enthusiastic before, but have done some thinking about it
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[01:15:56] <Andrew Sullivan> Sounds like Antoin Verschuren (I can't quite see)
[01:16:08] <matthijs> yes
[01:16:13] <Andrew Newton> thx
[01:16:30] <Andrew Sullivan> I am slightly worried that I can identify DNSOP participants by sound.
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[01:17:09] <Andrew Newton> antoin: wanted to know more about the use cases further down the tree
[01:17:16] <Andrew Newton> pual: yes
[01:17:49] <Andrew Newton> pual hoffman: asks Johan about limitations
[01:17:54] <Andrew Newton> johan: see problems
[01:18:03] <Andrew Newton> (I'm not catching the finer point being made)
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[01:18:30] <Andrew Newton> paul: in favor of doing it in this wg
[01:18:52] <Andrew Newton> patrick: works further down the tree
[01:19:32] <Andrew Newton> olafur: nothing the precludes the registrars from checking the child
[01:19:55] <Andrew Newton> patrick: registrar works under assumption of what the registrant wants to do
[01:20:25] <Andrew Newton> olafur: registrar is mechanism for passing data through the system
[01:20:43] <Andrew Newton> johan: difficult to do notificaton
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[01:21:39] <Andrew Newton> peter: it appeared that this is a problem for people trying to bypass their registrar
[01:22:07] <Andrew Newton> peter: needs further discussion on the list
[01:22:47] <Andrew Newton> johan: not very big
[01:22:57] <Andrew Newton> sullivan: dyn wants this
[01:23:32] <Andrew Newton> peter: take this to the list
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[01:24:26] <Andrew Newton> matthijs: why do we need to ask the question on the list? what about consensus of the room
[01:24:38] <Andrew Newton> peter: no price tag
[01:24:54] <Andrew Newton> matthijs: what do you mean
[01:25:05] <Andrew Newton> peter: it is the price of committment
[01:26:06] <Andrew Newton> matthijs: same thing could happen with just asking on the list
[01:26:12] <Andrew Newton> peter: gonna take the risk
[01:26:41] <Andrew Newton> wes hardiger?: parent child releationship in dns is broken, dnssec makes it worse
[01:26:58] <Andrew Newton> wes: would review the doc
[01:27:15] <Andrew Newton> next preso
[01:27:37] <Andrew Newton> presentation: dns mib
[01:27:40] <matthijs> I am afraid that awaiting answer to that question will just delay the whole stuff
[01:27:41] <Andrew Newton> slide 2
[01:28:15] <Andrew Newton> slide 3
[01:28:47] <Andrew Newton> slide 4
[01:28:55] <Andrew Sullivan> I propose that those of us interested in proceeding with the work just work on it, and ignore whether the WG has in fact offically adopted anything. If the work gets done, we can "adopt" it later.
[01:29:38] <Suz> +1
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[01:30:05] <Andrew Newton> slide 5
[01:30:51] <Andrew Newton> slide 6
[01:31:21] <Andrew Newton> john dickinson: never heard anyone say mibs are easy to write. there are alternative ways of doing this, such as netconf
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[01:31:46] <Andrew Newton> peter ask who many have read it
[01:31:51] <Andrew Newton> peter notes 5ish
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[01:32:45] <Andrew Newton> simon: do people have this general problem?
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[01:33:31] <Andrew Newton> liman: idea of dns mib not new. would like to comparison of older attempts
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[01:34:00] <Andrew Newton> liman: this should not preclude other methods
[01:34:30] <marc.blanchet.qc> simon: response to the shutdown criteria was answered in the slides.
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[01:35:14] <Andrew Newton> peter: i/o with homenet
[01:35:26] <Andrew Newton> ray: something about homenet
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[01:35:52] <Suz> there are no DNS/naming related drafts adopted by homenet yet, there are individual submissions and discussion in the wg about which if any to adopt
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[01:35:59] <Andrew Newton> peter going over document actions needed
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[01:36:11] <dbarton> did sound just die for anyone else?
[01:36:14] <Suz> people who know something about DNS really should look at the stuff in homenet.
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[01:36:34] <Andrew Newton> peter closes meeting
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[01:36:52] <Andrew Sullivan> probably died because the meeting time is ended
[01:36:52] <dbarton> that explains it :)
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