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[09:14:20] <Peter Koch> @local people: pls volunteer to jabber scribe (2)
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[09:15:26] <jpc> ack, Peter
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[09:16:37] <jelte> audio quality great
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[09:17:07] <matthijs> Hi
[09:17:40] <matthijs> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsop/agenda
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[09:20:58] <Benno Overeinder> DNSOP starts with status updates
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[09:21:14] <Benno Overeinder> minutes takes Shane Kerr
[09:21:22] <Benno Overeinder> takes=taker
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[09:21:39] <Benno Overeinder> jabber scribe Matthijs Mekking & Benno Overeinder
[09:21:51] <Benno Overeinder> Note well slide
[09:21:57] <Andrew Sullivan> Did I just hear a requirement that we need to state our affiliation?
[09:22:06] <Benno Overeinder> Administrivia slide
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[09:22:23] <jelte> it got amended; it's an optional requirement :p
[09:22:34] <Benno Overeinder> agenda bashing
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[09:23:04] <Benno Overeinder> 2) status report
[09:23:17] <Benno Overeinder> 3.1 ) Reverse DNS naming convention
[09:23:18] <matthijs> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-dnsop-3.pdf
[09:23:28] <Benno Overeinder> 3.2) … missed this one
[09:23:36] <Benno Overeinder> Status report slide up
[09:24:14] <matthijs> 3.2) considerations for ttl values
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[09:24:34] <Benno Overeinder> draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc4641bis nit pick review
[09:24:49] <Benno Overeinder> -10 is published this morning
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[09:25:13] <Benno Overeinder> review −07/-08 and −10 diff
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[09:25:25] <Benno Overeinder> mostly editorial
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[09:25:44] <Benno Overeinder> matthijs mekking on the mic
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[09:26:06] <Benno Overeinder> diff review between −08 an d-10
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[09:26:17] <Benno Overeinder> olaf kolkman at the mic
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[09:26:43] <Benno Overeinder> olaf asks for a time line for 4641bis
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[09:27:33] <Benno Overeinder> time line for review comments in two weeks.
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[09:28:59] <Benno Overeinder> the draft dsp framework also almost finished.
[09:29:22] <Benno Overeinder> for changes see −05 and −06 version
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[09:30:08] <matthijs> status/attention drafts discussed now
[09:31:49] <Benno Overeinder> dsp framework document is sent to iesg for review
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[09:32:27] <Benno Overeinder> next presentation dan massey , joe gersch, eric osterweil,
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[09:32:42] <Benno Overeinder> reverse-dns naming convention
[09:32:46] <Benno Overeinder> slide 2 up
[09:33:41] <Benno Overeinder> slide 3 up
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[09:34:20] <Benno Overeinder> slide 4 up
[09:35:31] <matthijs> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-dnsop-0.pdf
[09:35:51] <Benno Overeinder> slide 5 up
[09:36:31] <Benno Overeinder> slide 6 up
[09:37:22] <Benno Overeinder> slide 7 up
[09:38:45] <Benno Overeinder> slide 8 up
[09:39:08] <Benno Overeinder> slide 9 up
[09:39:13] <Benno Overeinder> summary
[09:40:39] <Benno Overeinder> questions/comments
[09:40:49] <Benno Overeinder> ondrej on the mic
[09:40:58] <matthijs> ondrej sury
[09:42:13] <Benno Overeinder> eric osterweil answers part of the question
[09:42:37] <Benno Overeinder> there is no difference in how you enter names in the delegation
[09:42:43] <Benno Overeinder> rob austein on the mic
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[09:43:36] <Benno Overeinder> question about the zone cut on boundaries
[09:44:33] <Benno Overeinder> answer: the document doesnot say anythng about zonecuts, it about naming convention
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[09:46:19] <Benno Overeinder> wes hardaker on the mic
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[09:47:04] <Benno Overeinder> one thing found missing: discussion algorithmic to find a non-existant child set
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[09:48:54] <Benno Overeinder> murray kucherawy on the mic
[09:48:58] <Benno Overeinder> ed lewis on the mic
[09:49:47] <Benno Overeinder> there are ways to encode address, why is this better than existing?
[09:50:24] <Benno Overeinder> dan massey: not for ip prefix, cname trick won't work
[09:50:46] <Benno Overeinder> kurtis lindqvist on mic
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[09:51:09] <Benno Overeinder> worry about two different way of mapping
[09:51:20] <Benno Overeinder> sam weiler on the mic
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[09:52:05] <Benno Overeinder> sam: good work, but work must be considered with a use-case
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[09:52:35] <Benno Overeinder> dan massey: naming should be application agnostic
[09:54:00] <Benno Overeinder> slide 9 with questions from chair
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[09:54:39] <Benno Overeinder> first question: there is interest
[09:54:53] <Benno Overeinder> second question: roughly split
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[09:55:11] <Benno Overeinder> is there work for this WG
[09:55:12] <matthijs> 1. Hums point out that there is a problem to be solved
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[09:56:06] <Benno Overeinder> olaf kolkman on the mic: is not sure this work should be in the WG
[09:56:13] <matthijs> 2. Is the problem well understood? roughly split
[09:56:33] <matthijs> 3. Is there work for the wg to address?
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[09:56:46] <Benno Overeinder> peter koch: dns reverse tree is work for this WG
[09:56:59] <matthijs> hums point out yes
[09:57:00] <Benno Overeinder> dicssuion continue on the email list
[09:57:30] <Benno Overeinder> 3.2.i Improving DNS Service Availability by Using Long TTL Values <http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-dnsop-5.pdf>
[09:57:37] <Benno Overeinder> slide 1
[09:58:15] <matthijs> eric osterweil is presenting
[09:58:16] <Benno Overeinder> slide 2: What do TTLs have ..
[09:58:49] <Benno Overeinder> slide "Where doe sthis really matter"
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[09:59:54] <Benno Overeinder> slide "example: t0"
[10:00:14] <Benno Overeinder> sldie "example: t1"
[10:00:21] <Benno Overeinder> slide "example : t2"
[10:00:34] <Benno Overeinder> slide "who would this help..."
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[10:01:34] <Benno Overeinder> slide" measurement"
[10:02:19] <Benno Overeinder> slide "simulations"
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[10:03:32] <Benno Overeinder> slide "take away"
[10:04:42] <Benno Overeinder> slide "thanks"
[10:04:52] <Benno Overeinder> questions after second presentation in context
[10:05:04] <Benno Overeinder> speaker yoshiro
[10:05:24] <Benno Overeinder> Yoshiro YONEYA
[10:05:35] <Benno Overeinder> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-dnsop-1.pdf
[10:05:38] <Benno Overeinder> slide 2
[10:06:13] <Benno Overeinder> slide 3
[10:07:19] <Benno Overeinder> slide 4
[10:07:46] <Benno Overeinder> slide 5 up
[10:08:26] <Benno Overeinder> slide 6 up
[10:08:37] <Benno Overeinder> slide 7 up\
[10:08:59] <Benno Overeinder> slide 8 up
[10:09:56] <Benno Overeinder> slide 9 up
[10:10:00] <Benno Overeinder> slide 10 up
[10:10:15] <Benno Overeinder> feedback please
[10:10:21] <bortzmeyer> I like the last proposal, the least expensive "Do nothing"
[10:10:35] <Andrew Sullivan> In the interests of time, I won't go to the mic. But it is apparent from these drafts that there is a trade-off here, and it seems like a trade-off draft would be an excellent idea
[10:10:38] <Benno Overeinder> couple mnutes of discussion on both drafts
[10:11:08] <Benno Overeinder> five to seven people read both drafts
[10:11:14] <matthijs> If there are remote questions: please add channel, and I will go to the mic for you
[10:11:14] <Benno Overeinder> ed lewis on the mic
[10:11:34] <matthijs> remote questions/ comments
[10:11:41] <Andrew Sullivan> (looks like Ed is going to say what I was trying to say)
[10:12:23] <Benno Overeinder> rob austein on the mic
[10:12:35] <matthijs> trade-off is discussed in 4641 and its successor
[10:12:56] <matthijs> (that was my personal comment, jabber scribe hat off)
[10:13:24] <Benno Overeinder> rob is on the short ttl
[10:13:37] <Benno Overeinder> ondrej sury are also on the short ttl
[10:13:51] <Benno Overeinder> long ttl are customer unfriendly
[10:14:13] <Benno Overeinder> patrik walstrom on the mic
[10:14:33] <Andrew Sullivan> de gustibus non est disputandum
[10:14:36] <Benno Overeinder> ttl in .se is now one hour.
[10:14:50] <Benno Overeinder> is appreciated by customers for changes
[10:15:08] <Dan York> Note that ttl in .se for *DS* records is one hour. TTL for other records is 24 hours.
[10:15:44] <Benno Overeinder> thanks for additiona comment (@dan)
[10:16:09] <Dan York> np
[10:16:42] <Dan York> (and that was my understanding of the comments from the mic - not any personal knowledge on my part)
[10:16:56] <matthijs> correcgt
[10:17:59] <Benno Overeinder> slide "ttl considerations" up
[10:18:10] <Benno Overeinder> 1. isthere a problem to be solved?
[10:18:11] <matthijs> by the way that were john levine and eric osterweil on the mic
[10:18:35] <Benno Overeinder> a bit more yes than no
[10:18:46] <Benno Overeinder> 2 is the prblem well understood?
[10:18:54] <weiler> a bit more no than yes
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[10:19:04] <weiler> for understood
[10:19:24] <Benno Overeinder> 3 is there work for this WG to do
[10:19:31] <weiler> about even
[10:19:57] <matthijs> weiler: i thought there was one loud no hum that was about even to several yes hums
[10:20:37] <Benno Overeinder> andrew sullivan on the mic
[10:20:45] <Benno Overeinder> not clear wath the work what will be
[10:20:48] <matthijs> 4. reach consensus? no confidence humming in either
[10:20:58] <weiler> from the back of the room, it sounded liked what i described (more no than yes for well understood, even for work to do). i know that the chairs heard otherwise, hence me making the different observation from the far end of the room.
[10:22:06] <weiler> it is a strangely shaped room. we may well be hearing different things.
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[10:22:42] <Benno Overeinder> discussion on the mailing to find out if these documents are potentially WG work
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[10:22:54] <Benno Overeinder> I/O with other WGs
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[10:24:44] <Benno Overeinder> there is IAB draft, worth reviewing
[10:24:57] <Benno Overeinder> see you in vancouver!
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