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[12:37:59] --- stephen.morris has joined [12:38:05] Peter: suggestion was a bit fuzzy on that [12:38:51] --- stephen.morris has left [12:39:30] --- Jaeyoun Kim has joined [12:39:57] Andrew Sullivan at the mic [12:40:23] The word "operation" is nowhere in the charter [12:40:52] Peter: notes appearance on the mailing list of change in scope statement to drop certain specifics as within scope. Andrew agrees it might be considered strange. Peter calls for hum on the charter [12:41:28] Humms have it [12:41:42] Hums in favor of having a charter :) [12:41:50] some support for the new charter [12:42:33] slide 12 [12:42:40] milestones [12:43:30] Milestones on page 13 don't have a date [12:43:37] --- psavola has joined [12:43:45] Regarding benchmarking: "specialists" could be the bmwg WG [12:44:01] now for active documents on slide 14 [12:44:33] Brian Dickson [12:45:06] --- Roy Arends has joined [12:46:38] concerned about whether charter should include "identifying major broken things in the DNS universe and suggesting help/fixes" [12:46:54] default config suggestions or somesuch [12:47:18] Peter notes later agenda item on nameserver control protocol [12:47:45] comment: [12:47:46] --- mrichardson has joined [12:47:59] there is a well known template from team cymru [12:48:05] yes Roy [12:48:05] for resolvers, that is [12:48:16] you want that stated at the mic ? [12:48:37] not nec'cy [12:48:44] We're at active documents again [12:48:48] ack [12:49:23] respsize draft: Kato-san at the mic, no plans to change any more except for minor comments, last version [12:49:37] Stephane: last call it [12:50:53] Peter is confusing his audience [12:51:41] trust-anchor: -01 is current, can we last call it? [12:51:47] --- Danny has joined [12:51:59] not to many people seem to have read the last versions odf the documents [12:52:31] --- rstory has joined [12:52:58] resolver-priming: authors not confident it's ready for last call [12:53:16] There are 5 documents ready for wglc now [12:53:30] Peter is asking for review [12:53:54] Olafur is asking peter to set dates on when the last calls will be issued [12:54:27] --- matt-larson has joined [12:54:30] Anyone in the jabber room that wants to review [12:54:40] will the minutes please reflect who signs up for which documents? [12:55:00] I saw Liman and Olaf [12:55:13] and Jinmei [12:55:16] I was hoping for the official minutest to reflect it [12:55:31] so I can go back to the minutes in case I forget which one(s) I sign up for [12:55:33] me too, so I'm doing what I can to make it easier ;) [12:55:36] --- axelm has joined [12:55:36] Any reviewers on AS112 [12:56:01] Andrew, Stephane, Mark (Andrews?) [12:56:18] draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-05 is expired [12:56:20] Brian, you're tainted! [12:56:34] Any reviewers on response size ? [12:56:47] I can do a review - and yes, i'm sitting behind the column :) [12:56:50] Matt Larson volnteers [12:57:34] Andrew, Eric Nelson, ?? [12:57:38] Alex Mayrhofer [12:57:43] behind the column :) [12:57:45] Any reviewers on dnssec trust anchors ? [12:58:09] trust anchors: matthias, Joe Gersch, David Blacka, Olaf, Scott Rose, Sam Weiler, Russ Mundy, Brian Dickson(?) [12:58:15] --- weiler has joined [12:58:54] Next issue: Other documents [12:59:06] There are no other documents ? [12:59:33] Olafur at the mic [12:59:38] I know that draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-05 is expired [12:59:53] --- matt-larson has left [13:00:13] I'd left Vancouver thinking that was going to WGLC before this meeting, so I didn't update with the editorial changes someone suggested to me [13:00:16] draft-gudmundsson-life-of-dnskey-00 [13:00:17] Olafur is walking in front [13:00:22] --- russmundy has joined [13:00:24] but I'll try to get it out this week [13:00:40] Olafur: he and Johan have a draft.....do we want to hear more? [13:00:47] Me: NO. [13:01:53] (the editorial comments are mostly nits -- fix the formatting of the references section, &c. No substative change will happen. You can read the current text. I'll post a diff to the list, also.) [13:02:29] John Dickinson at the mic [13:02:48] Sam Weiler [13:04:04] Olafur is mostly talking about terminology clarification. [13:05:21] hum for whether to adopt the doc....done [13:05:34] Strong favour of having this document as working group item [13:06:17] Next item: design team on requirements for a nameserrver controlprotocol [13:06:22] Jaap akkerhuis [13:06:40] This is not on the online slides of the agenda... [13:08:17] oh yes it is, but on a different page: slide 13 [13:09:07] There's little progress on this [13:10:28] Any questions ? [13:10:57] Now for i/o with other working groups [13:11:18] DNSEXT: DNS cookies [13:11:41] Read this to see if there is any operational concerns.. [13:12:01] v6ops: NAT-PT [13:12:44] Kurtis at the mic [13:12:48] Rob: notes NAT-PT need for some DNS hackitude; can we swallow this and make it work as a necessary step towards IPv6 deployment [13:13:28] Kurtis as co-chair of v6ops, wants input regarding possible better ways than NAT-PT, including DNS considerations [13:13:34] James Woodcat at the mic [13:13:48] Woodyatt that is [13:13:49] notes no current proposals call for DNS ALGs [13:14:01] but DNS people still need to comment [13:14:28] --- Haurhiko Nishida has joined [13:14:47] Peter: let's get relevant doc pointers sent to the mailing list for review. [13:14:47] I think that v6ops is asking for help from dnsops to make sure that a DNS ALG does not pop back into the solution set. [13:15:07] v6ops requirements doc in progress [13:15:23] Kurtis back at the mic: DNS people: what are good things to do? or bad ones? [13:15:48] Ed Lewis at the mic [13:16:18] Mark Andrews [13:16:23] is totd (hack for Windows XP DNS in v4/v6 compatibility) part of the space? [13:16:38] --- weiler has left [13:17:05] Mark: very specific recommendation on DNSSEC compatibility for NAT-PT++ [13:17:18] Kurtis and Rob: take it to v6ops [13:17:37] I wish IPv6 had a prefix reserved for "IPv4 address in IPv6 format" that a client can just use. :) [13:17:54] Next wg i/o: ENUM: EDNS0 requirement [13:18:44] Olafur: DNSEXT is rewriting EDNS0 specifications, and there was a proposal to make it madatory [13:19:03] Alex Mayerhofer [13:19:49] Please also review the enum services guide as dnsops [13:20:09] --- Haurhiko Nishida has left [13:20:19] Peter: Any other WG that wants something up ? [13:20:24] --- jm has left [13:20:30] Brian Dickson [13:21:54] DNSOPS is here to help [13:22:57] Any other Business ? [13:23:06] Apparently not... 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