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[18:45:13] <zwicky> Somebody say something so I can tell Adium isn't lying to me
[18:45:27] <SamS> Nobody here
[18:45:35] <zwicky> OK then
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[18:53:56] <jtrentadams@gmail.com> Minor AV difficulties in the room … working on solving them
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[18:55:59] <msk> How's the audio?
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[18:56:58] <Ned Freed> Haven't heard anything so far.
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[18:57:17] <msk> OK.  Will advise the right people.
[18:57:26] <sca> meetecho don't work ( yesterday, tls ) was fine
[18:57:34] <msk> meetecho people are here
[18:57:48] <Rolf E. Sonneveld> Yep
[18:57:55] <msk> Standby for audio check
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[18:59:53] <msk> We will delay starting for audio since we have a half hour buffer at the end anyway.  Stand by.
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[19:00:42] <Barry Leiba> Tommy, can you hear me?
[19:00:47] <msk> Audio check?
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[19:00:58] <SamS> nothing
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[19:01:40] <msk> Meetecho is working on it.
[19:01:49] <Dave Crocker> @sam, no speaker alignment with the from field.
[19:02:08] <Barry Leiba> Yet another thing DMARC has broken!
[19:02:08] <msk> We can't be sure it was Dave that said that.
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[19:02:22] <Ned Freed> OK, so I can hear the audio via the audio feed, but not Meetecho.
[19:02:47] <tony hansen> no audio for me either
[19:02:56] <Ned Freed> I'm sure once Meetecho comes up I will have an interesting audio experience at this end.
[19:03:39] <doug.otis> no video in the room now as well.
[19:03:43] <Sam Silberman> The direct audio feed is working for me too (not via meetecho)
[19:03:52] <sca> I've audio via http://ietf91streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf916.m3u
[19:04:01] <zwicky> So far the attempt to fix the audio has broken the video
[19:04:06] <Ned Freed> Tapping the mic certainly got the dogs excited.
[19:04:25] <Ned Freed> I'm getting video now, FWIW.
[19:04:32] <Sam Silberman> I got video
[19:04:38] <zwicky> We aren't, so that's fun
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[19:05:04] <resnick> Are people doing hula in the video?
[19:05:04] <zwicky> So I guess you can see Tim and Murray talk to Ned's dogs
[19:05:09] <brettmcdowell> There might be extra time before we lose the room, but that doesn’t necessarily translate to extra time for the remote participants who scheduled their time to attend based on the published agenda.
[19:05:09] <msk> More Meetecho people have arrived.
[19:05:12] <Sam Silberman> Sam is on channel 6
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[19:05:25] <Dave Crocker> i'm not getting slides
[19:05:25] <zwicky> And they're debugging in Russian
[19:05:26] <Barry Leiba> Good point, Brett.
[19:05:27] <mhammer> Mike Hammer here.
[19:05:30] <zwicky> Nobody is getting slides
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[19:05:47] <brettmcdowell> audio is working
[19:05:53] <resnick> Yay!
[19:05:55] <mdav_nl> \o/
[19:05:58] <zwicky> "You have now been unmuted"
[19:06:03] <zwicky> Not kidding
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[19:06:26] <Dave Crocker> how do they unmute the slides?
[19:06:29] <Ned Freed> I'm getting audio and video, no slides, now.
[19:06:30] <brettmcdowell> to be clear, this audio is working:  http://ietf91streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf916.m3u
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[19:07:11] <jtrentadams@gmail.com> How many engineers does it take to diagnose and fix a problem?
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[19:07:24] <jtrentadams@gmail.com> Everyone!!
[19:07:26] <Kurt Andersen> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/slides/slides-91-dmarc-0.pdf
[19:07:45] <Kurt Andersen> just in case you can't get the video feed
[19:07:46] <john.levine> this reminds me of my family recipe for spoiled broth
[19:07:48] <Ned Freed> Yes, video is working.
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[19:08:04] <msk> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dmarc/agenda
[19:08:14] <resnick> http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/91/slides/slides-91-dmarc-0.pdf
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[19:09:02] <brettmcdowell> Slides are here:  http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/slides/slides-91-dmarc-0.pdf
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[19:09:37] <Dave Crocker> @trent, no.  It always takes one more.
[19:09:50] <jtrentadams@gmail.com> Everyone++
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[19:10:44] <Kurt Andersen> Is that view that no one has had before related to the "running naked and free"?
[19:10:48] <tony hansen> I'm seeing video from a different working group!
[19:10:55] <msk> Is it more interesting?
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[19:10:55] <Ned Freed> Slides are up!
[19:11:05] <tony hansen> use cases for "tetrys"
[19:11:10] <Dave Crocker> slides.  yeah!
[19:11:25] <msk> tony: are you in the right meetecho?
[19:11:27] <Andrew Sullivan> Only there, not in the room
[19:11:40] <tony hansen> restarting (again)
[19:11:43] <sca> I've two audio streams from two different sessions
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[19:11:50] <Jacques Latour> wrong room being broadcasted, wrong slides
[19:11:50] <Ned Freed> But they are the wrong slides, I think.
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[19:12:10] <mhammer> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/91/slides/slides-91-dmarc-0.pdf
[19:12:28] <Kurt Andersen> we're on slide 5 right now
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[19:12:59] <smjones> The "WTF?" slide?
[19:13:02] <Barry Leiba> You mean slide 5 on the unnumbered deck?
[19:13:03] <Rolf E. Sonneveld> Restarting Meetecho WFM: audio + video (wrong slides)
[19:13:12] <Barry Leiba> Note to chairs: SLIDE NUMBERS!
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[19:13:21] <msk> ack
[19:13:25] <Barry Leiba> Ta
[19:13:37] <Kurt Andersen> slide 6
[19:13:46] <msk> there are no numbers, have to call out titles
[19:13:48] <msk> thanks kurt
[19:13:55] <smjones> ty
[19:14:17] <mhammer> WG Phases slide (6 of 15)
[19:14:34] <brettmcdowell> +1 to adding page numbers in the future to presentations.
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[19:15:10] <Dave Crocker> wow.  now i'm getting slides for a different wg, unless dmarc uses coefficients
[19:15:14] <mhammer> +1 to Brett going to each client and adding page numbers for future presentations.
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[19:15:31] <Barry Leiba> We are certainly not (co)efficient here.
[19:15:31] <msk> Dave: Rolf says restarting meetecho fixes it.
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[19:15:55] <tony hansen> @dave still not sure what WG is using Tetrys. I'm seeing the same thing
[19:16:02] <Kurt Andersen> slide 7 - Milestone Overview
[19:16:03] <tony hansen> and restarting meetecho did NOT fix it
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[19:16:20] <Dave Crocker> I restarted and still see the detchart slides, not dmarc's.
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[19:17:00] <Rolf E. Sonneveld> Silence here (lost audio and video)
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[19:17:27] <Kurt Andersen> any one else having audio problems remotely?
[19:17:27] <Barry Leiba> I think the meetcho people are still running about with things.
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[19:17:58] <mhammer> It sounds like there is a bird squawking every so often but otherwise fine for me.
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[19:18:05] <smjones> meetecho is delivering audio just fine; video is MIA.
[19:18:24] <Ned Freed> There is a big of clipping in the audio stream. Minor IMO.
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[19:19:00] <mhammer> +1 to what Barry said.
[19:19:03] <tony hansen_3493> am still seeing slides from NWCRG. Have restarted meetecho a few times, including starting it up on another computer
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[19:19:22] <tony hansen_3493> but I AM getting dmarc audio
[19:19:24] <Kurt Andersen> slide 8 - Milestone 1 review
[19:19:36] <Rolf E. Sonneveld> @tony: same here
[19:19:39] <Kurt Andersen> meetecho folks back to the rescue
[19:19:48] <Ned Freed> Mic: Also note that there's review underway of the informational base spec publication on the list. This is NOT a WG activity per se and the spec is NOT open for technical changes at this time.
[19:19:52] <msk> So summary of what people are seeing and hearing?
[19:20:11] <tony hansen_3493> am seeing slides from NWCRG, hearing DMARC
[19:20:20] <sca> same
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[19:20:23] <jtrentadams@gmail.com> Might be best to download the slides and run them locally vs relying on the Meetchu slides
[19:20:31] <msk> ^^
[19:20:33] <smjones> I have great DMARC audio and no video - I await loss of video imminently now that it's being "fixed" ... ;)
[19:20:45] <smjones> ^video^audio
[19:20:58] <zwicky> The people in the room had to download the slides too, so it's not discrimination
[19:21:15] <Kurt Andersen> slide 9
[19:21:20] <Kurt Andersen> Milestone 1 Review
[19:21:21] <lminiero> for those on Meetecho, can you try rejoining? there was a mixup with the events name, when you get in again you get the right room
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[19:22:34] <mhammer> What about on jabber?
[19:22:40] <msk> Are there folks who have been participating on the list who are not familiar with what's on the wiki?
[19:22:40] <Kurt Andersen> that was addressed to the remote folks. . .
[19:22:43] <Kurt Andersen> like you
[19:22:43] <lminiero> no need to leave jabber :)
[19:22:54] <mhammer> I meant Pete's questions.
[19:23:20] <Kurt Andersen> mhammer: that was his ask - see msk's transcription
[19:23:24] <tony hansen> lost both video and audio now on one computer. on another computer, got error starting webrtc call: couldn't setup the voip backend: not in a room
[19:23:27] <sca> i try to follwo the list but it's hard ( my limited englisch ...)
[19:23:28] <Dave Crocker> restarted yet again.  now no slides at all.
[19:23:40] <msk> Meetecho has been advised.
[19:23:43] <lminiero> Dave Crocker: no slides is normal, there are no slides on the beamer either
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[19:23:56] <msk> Anyone besides Tony lose audio?
[19:23:59] <lminiero> they've problems wit the laptop and beamer config
[19:24:03] <Andrew Sullivan> The "no slides" is what we're getting in the room, so that's not a failure of remote participation tools :)
[19:24:13] <tony hansen_1025> got audio back
[19:24:18] <Rolf Sonneveld> Restarted, audio OK, video OK
[19:24:19] <Dave Crocker> @Andrew.  Oh goodie.  Thanks, I guess.
[19:24:29] <msk> Rolf: correct slides?
[19:24:33] <lminiero> tony hansen: try the webinar mode if webrtc is flaky, http://conf.meetecho.com/video?s=hibiscus&r=dmarc&c=8891135
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[19:25:03] <Kurt Andersen> slide 10
[19:25:12] <doug.otis> Discussed wiki content.
[19:25:14] <Franck Martin> "Milestone 1 review"
[19:25:24] <tony hansen_1025> finally seeing the correct chairs :-)
[19:25:37] <msk> One of the correct chairs.  I am merely a warm body.
[19:25:39] <Rolf Sonneveld> @msk: no slides (but that seems to be OK?)
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[19:25:52] <msk> Had I planned ahead, I would have bought a Ned hat.
[19:26:00] <Dave Crocker> MIC:  The definition of 'forwarding' is not "so broad".  Since this is a technical group, we should use terminology carefully.  Check RFC 5598, folks.
[19:26:13] <Ned Freed> I buy most of mine from Tilley.
[19:26:14] <msk> Dave: ack.
[19:26:19] <mhammer> +1 to Dave's comment.
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[19:26:30] <msk> Ned: I'll get one if I become a media-type reviewer.
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[19:28:01] <Ned Freed> I like the distinction between modified mail and new mail. At least that part make sense to me as categories.
[19:28:06] <Dave Crocker> @Pete:  thanks for the followup.
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[19:28:16] <Dave Crocker> @Ned: +1
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[19:28:18] <Ned Freed> In other words, what Pete is saying now.
[19:28:18] <mhammer> +1 to what Ned said
[19:28:37] <brettmcdowell> To summarize John’s point, just to see if I understood it:  categorize our work in two big buckets (1) mail that originated from DMARC-compliant senders and (2) mail that originated from everywhere else (but uses domains that are administered by DMARC-compliant senders?
[19:28:52] <tony hansen> webinar mode stank even worse
[19:29:08] <Kurt Andersen> brettmcdowell - in broad terms, yes
[19:29:33] <msk> Tony: Are the NWCRG slides more interesting?
[19:29:53] <Kurt Andersen> but the first category is more along the lines of "native" sender, regardless of DMARC adherance
[19:30:11] <mhammer> I'd like to see more effort along the lines of the data points that Elizabeth posted to the list.
[19:30:12] <smjones> @brettmcdowell: I view that as another, useful overlay to evaluate mailflows in a DMARC context.
[19:30:18] <Ned Freed> They're kinda cool. Given how ugly our problem space is, I'm starting to feel like Im in the opening scene of Stardust Memories.
[19:30:31] <msk> If there are things you want me to repeat at the mic, please put "Mic:" before them.
[19:30:51] <mhammer> Consider "Mic" in front of that comment.
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[19:31:12] <lminiero> about the slides (in the room and remotely) we contacted the A/V guys, they should hopefully get this sorted out soon
[19:31:31] <mhammer> "Mic": That doesn't mean we shouldn't move on to Milestone 2 though.
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[19:32:03] <Kurt Andersen> slide 12
[19:32:19] <msk> lminiero: thanks
[19:32:36] <smjones> slide/page 13 now, no?
[19:32:47] <msk> smjones: "Why multiple intermediaries ..."
[19:33:01] <Kurt Andersen> smjones - yes
[19:33:43] <tony hansen> just lost audio again! :-(
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[19:34:02] <brettmcdowell> I like the idea of focusing on a 90% fix vs. boiling the ocean.  Let’s make ocean boiling to a later phase.
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[19:35:42] <mhammer> "Mic": Disagree with Doug. This is NOT just about phishing.
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[19:36:03] <Andrew Sullivan> @brett: I thought that was what DMARC promised the first time, and it didn't actually cover 90%
[19:36:11] <brettmcdowell> Mic: I like the idea of focusing on a 90% fix vs. boiling the ocean.  Let’s make ocean boiling to a later phase.
[19:38:04] <Ned Freed> FWIW, the common problem with 90% solutions in the IETF is a social one: Enormous effort is often spent trying to push it to 90.00001%.
[19:38:17] <brettmcdowell> DMARC did cover the 90% for its use case (blocking fraud).  But the 90% fix I’m referring to now is 90% of the small % of mail that DMARC is disrupting that we don’t want DMARC to disrupt.
[19:38:41] <zwicky> 98% of Yahoo-Yahoo mail passes DMARC
[19:39:34] <Dave Crocker> MIC:  possibility terminology distinction, for identifying mail that goes through multiple hops, versus mail that is send-to-friend or the like:  Sequenced vs. Detached.  Sequenced mail comes from a DMARC-conformant place but goes through a sequence involving places that break that.  Detached mail originates from an operation that is independent of the domain owner.
[19:39:47] <Dave Crocker> possibility -> possible.
[19:40:11] <Ned Freed> First, it should have been clear that the 90% we're talking about is the problem space we're looking at, not the entire space of email usage.
[19:40:50] <Ned Freed> Second - and speaking as a participant here - I'm getting a little tired of these 98% number being thrown about. They don't mean squat when the 2% is the mail I care about.
[19:41:07] <Kurt Andersen> dave crocker: seems like a reasonable terminology
[19:42:15] <smjones> @Ned: We can always find somebody to whom any given 2% is vitally important. This is where surveying the problem space and achieving concensus comes in, no?
[19:42:18] <mhammer> +1 to what Elizabeth is saying.
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[19:42:54] <brettmcdowell> FYI: folks using meetecho.com for the jabber chat are not coming through (to my client) with meaningful identifiers.
[19:43:13] <Dave Crocker> Elizabeth's statement: "It is easier for people to understand possible problems, for mail they didn't directly generate than for mail they did".  I think this is worth tagging and considering.  It seems a useful point and very possibly correct.
[19:43:40] <msk> Meetecho is in the room working on things.
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[19:44:17] <Sam Silberman> +1 to what Tim said
[19:44:33] <Ned Freed> No need to relay the past couple of things I've said.
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[19:44:59] <msk> Ned: ack.
[19:45:00] <lminiero> brettmcdowell: you may be seeing the username that are random, but we set the correct Display Name so it must be an issue with your client not displaying them
[19:45:21] <lminiero> for slides: A/V guy should be in the room now
[19:45:32] <msk> lminiero: he is.
[19:45:37] <brettmcdowell> Mic: correct, I’m talking about the 90% of the ~1%? of authentic mail that DMARC is disrupting today (where I refer to anything that isn’t fraud as “authentic” but I’m open to suggestions for other terms)
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[19:47:02] <brettmcdowell> @meetecho@... you are probably right about that.  FYI, my client is Apple’s Messages.App
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[19:47:28] <Kurt Andersen> are remote folks seeing slides on the stream?
[19:47:35] <tony hansen> not seeing slides yet
[19:47:36] <Rolf Sonneveld> No slides here
[19:47:40] <Sam Silberman> nope
[19:47:43] <mhammer> I'm just looking at the PDF.
[19:47:50] <sca> too
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[19:47:53] <msk> In-room is working now, meetecho will be next.
[19:47:57] <msk> Is remote audio still OK?
[19:48:03] <sca> yes
[19:48:03] <Kurt Andersen> OK - the projector was replaced and a new cable brought into the room
[19:48:04] <mhammer> ok for me.
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[19:48:09] <tony hansen> see blinking black box where slides should be
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[19:48:15] <msk> OK so all you need is remote slides?
[19:48:34] <sca> no more
[19:48:41] <msk> no more what?
[19:48:43] <Rolf Sonneveld> Restarted meetecho, no slides
[19:48:51] <Rolf Sonneveld> I'll use the PDF
[19:49:00] <sca> mean: I see slides via PDF
[19:49:00] <msk> they're working on meetecho now
[19:49:01] <tony hansen> which slide?
[19:49:04] <doug.otis> Allowing an accountant use of their client’s From email address is not brand name infringement when they include themselves as Sender.
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[19:49:09] <msk> Slide: Milestone 2 Kickoff
[19:49:29] <brettmcdowell> Mic: Is it acceptable to have teleconference meetings more often to help us make progress?  Must we limit our collaboration tech to email + wiki?
[19:49:59] <mhammer> +1 to Brett's comment but we should also try jabber as well.
[19:50:20] <Rolf Sonneveld> Slides here!
[19:50:46] <Sam Silberman> +1 to Brett and Mike's comments
[19:51:40] <sca> mic: for me teleconference is nice but not needed
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[19:51:58] <Dave Crocker> MIC:  They have to be managed as 'interim' meetings, meaning proper scheduling and announcing, I believe?
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[19:52:55] <resnick> There's "virtual interim" and "face-to-face interim", and the timing rules are different.
[19:53:18] <Dave Crocker> MIC:  Where are the policies on 'teleconferences' written?  Anyhow, this all loses the core benefit of email, which is participate-when-you-can.
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[19:53:48] <Barry Leiba> Dave: it's in an IESG statement
[19:53:49] <tony hansen> +1
[19:53:52] <resnick> Barry misspoke by calling the category teleconferences. Virtual interim is the correct term.
[19:53:52] <Sam Silberman> +1
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[19:54:04] <gregc> +1
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[19:54:19] <brettmcdowell> +1 for monthly teleconferences
[19:54:35] <mhammer> <- raises hand
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[19:55:11] <resnick> https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/interim-meetings.html
[19:55:16] <smjones> +1 for monthly whatever meetings
[19:55:35] <brettmcdowell> Mic: what is a “design team” and how might that relate to the work of DMARC WG?
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[19:56:21] <smjones> Mic: Kurt's example of "rogue sales people" is useful, but more of an operational issue within an enterprise - perfect for a BCP, but not a limitation of DMARC in the current environment. BCP is Milestone 3 I believe - is material being collected/curated for that in parallel with present work?
[19:56:42] <sca> postmasters prefer phone over email  ?
[19:56:48] <msk> sca: haha
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[19:57:09] <Dave Crocker> @Brett:  http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2418#section-6.5
[19:57:30] <Franck Martin> smjones: it is all about who is  authorized to send an email with a domain
[19:57:31] <brettmcdowell> @Pete -- thanks, I get it.
[19:57:52] <Kurt Andersen> smjones: IMO, the "rogue sales people" example is really no different than an "outside bookkeeper" example Doug used for justifying Intuit's "detached" source
[19:58:03] <smjones> Uh oh!
[19:58:10] <Dave Crocker> MIC:  I thought I made wiki entries for each milestone, to make it easier to stash stuff for later.
[19:59:18] <sca> MIC: are there expiriences on "who I'm sending reports?"
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[19:59:46] <sca> I see 5% of reports on really strange domains.
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[20:00:10] <tony hansen> Elliot's a nice guy :-)
[20:00:40] <jtrentadams@gmail.com> @sca - can you clarify?
[20:00:44] <brettmcdowell> Mic: can new deliverables be added to our list of deliverables, as long as they align to our charter and we have a volunteer to edit them?
[20:00:46] <tony hansen> btw, the slides started working for me to show the AOB slide
[20:00:47] <msk> Ned: anything from you?
[20:00:47] <sca> I send reports, clearly no good domains
[20:01:16] <Rolf Sonneveld> @brett: anything in mind?
[20:01:17] <sca> ok, on ml ...
[20:01:25] <Franck Martin> sca: don't send reports to domains that are in a blocking list
[20:01:30] <brettmcdowell> perhaps a very targeted BCP
[20:01:49] <Franck Martin> sca:    may be also don't send reports that contains less than x emails reported
[20:02:36] <Franck Martin> tho I'm not sure what bad people are gaining from these reports…
[20:02:51] <brettmcdowell> @Pete -- that works, I am probably thinking of something that could be viewed as a portion of the BCP already in the charter
[20:02:52] <Franck Martin> may be which botnet is working?
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[20:03:34] <mhammer> Well done!
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[20:03:55] <Rolf Sonneveld> Thanks, msk, tim, ned
[20:04:24] <Ned Freed> That went surprisingly well given the technical difficulties.
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[20:04:49] <smjones> That's it?
[20:04:52] <msk> We're done.
[20:05:00] <brettmcdowell> +1 this was well organized and productive.
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[20:05:09] <smjones> Hope meetecho got virtual blue sheet sigs correctly...
[20:05:11] <sca> bye, nice time :-)
[20:05:11] <Ned Freed> Teach me to brag about how awesome remote attendence went yesterday...
[20:05:16] <brettmcdowell> you guys are still on the mic
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[20:05:43] <brettmcdowell> LOL
[20:05:47] <smjones> Let them incriminate themselves!
[20:05:55] <mhammer> Mic: The Mic is still live.
[20:06:08] <brettmcdowell> it’s almost like being there
[20:06:14] <msk> The trolling never ends.
[20:06:15] <Barry Leiba> The next best thing....
[20:06:19] <brettmcdowell> bye!
[20:06:20] <sca> nooo :-)
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[20:06:43] <Ned Freed> bye
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[20:06:45] <mhammer> Say something incriminating!
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[20:07:06] <smjones> @mhammer: Yes, speak carelessly about your *real* agendas!
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[20:07:44] <mhammer> That deserves some background music smjones.
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[20:08:22] <smjones> Sigh. No fun heckling when they ignore you.
[20:08:36] <mhammer> I'm not ignoring you.
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[20:09:07] <smjones> I feel like I'm in Hawaii!
[20:09:10] <mhammer> Although I think I'll drop off and go clear the snow off my vehicle.
[20:09:19] <mhammer> I don't.
[20:09:25] <smjones> Why, it's sunny and in the 80s, isn't it?
[20:09:32] <mhammer> Not here.
[20:09:55] <smjones> Sigh.
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[20:09:58] <mhammer> East side of Cleveland got over a foot of snow.
[20:10:08] <mhammer> By me it is about 4 inches.
[20:10:20] <smjones> Cool. Please send it all West. Thank you.
[20:10:24] <Rolf Sonneveld> West side of Europe: no snow ;-)
[20:10:30] <Sam Silberman> If 30deg and snow feels like Hawaii,  then yes, surfs up
[20:10:41] <smjones> Drove by a reservoir the other day, there were only a few puddles at the lowest points.
[20:10:52] <smjones> (SF Bay Area, CA, US)
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[20:12:08] <Derek Diget> @mhammer: we got about 6 inches...close to a foot a couple counties north along the lake.  Who needs to surf when you can go sleding
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[20:12:50] <Derek Diget> lake = Lake Michigan
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[20:14:34] <smjones> Guess I have to go be productive now...
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[20:26:49] <tony hansen> is audio off?
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