- Monday, March 11, 2013

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[04:05:51] <Tobia Castaldi> New presentation: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-clue-4.pptx
[04:05:57] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 1: CLUE WG IETF-86
[04:05:59] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 2: Note Well
[04:06:08] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 3: Status
[04:06:10] <Tobia Castaldi> Presentation stopped
[04:06:25] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 1: CLUE Framework
[04:06:42] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 2: Recent Changes
[04:06:45] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 3: Conform to SDP Offer/Answer
[04:06:58] <Tobia Castaldi> Slide 1: CLUE Framework
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[12:24:01] <Alessandro Amirante> New presentation: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-clue-4.pptx
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[12:24:50] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 1: CLUE Signaling draft-kyzivat-clue-signal
[12:24:57] <Alessandro Amirante> Slide 2: CLUE Signaling History
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[12:47:07] <Lorenzo Miniero> New presentation: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-clue-4.pptx
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[12:55:28] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: CLUE WG IETF-86
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[12:59:22] <Ted> If you have something to relay, please pre-pend with "MIC"
[12:59:23] <Ted> thanks
[12:59:42] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Note Well
[13:00:02] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Status
[13:01:02] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Status - solutions
[13:01:23] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Agenda – Monday (09:00-11:30)
[13:01:49] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Agenda - Thursday (13:00-15:00)
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[13:02:43] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentazione interrotta
[13:03:08] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: CLUE Framework
[13:03:10] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Recent Changes
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[13:04:55] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Conform to SDP Offer/Answer
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[13:06:53] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Simultaneous Transmission Sets
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[13:14:03] <jlcJohn> Does it bother anyone else that we spend so much time worrying about what the current generation of cameras can do?
[13:17:26] <Ted> Is that for the mic?
[13:17:54] <jlcJohn> Good Lord no! Ted...
[13:18:12] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: All Media Types in CSE and STS
[13:18:18] <Ted> Sorry to scare you.
[13:19:02] <jlcJohn> :-)
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[13:28:08] <jlcJohn> MIC: In practice, most folks want a common audio mix, while they may want vastly different video-- there's not much relation between the two.
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[13:39:07] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Attribute Issues
[13:42:20] <jlcJohn> I agree with Paul: in general, we're dealing in three-dimensional space.
[13:42:57] <Ted> For the mic?
[13:43:08] <jlcJohn> probably not needed...
[13:43:14] <Ted> okay
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[13:44:32] <Martin Thomson> Isn't this area of scene intended to convey the *larger* area of the room, so that you can describe how the individual captures fit within this space?  Christer seems to be talking about the area of scene being a smaller space than the captures describe.
[13:45:30] <jlcJohn> "area of the room" doesn't make much sense... the room would have "volume".
[13:45:59] <Martin Thomson> yes, that's the key point, but it's the volume - the space - in which the captures are being captured
[13:46:46] <jlcJohn> Anyone want to volunteer why we have "area of scene" at all?
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[13:56:44] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Refactoring – where to draw the line
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[14:04:23] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: Update Examples
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[14:06:36] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentazione interrotta
[14:07:13] <Lorenzo Miniero> New presentation: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-clue-0.pdf
[14:07:25] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: CLUE
[14:07:31] <Lorenzo Miniero> Simon Romano presenting
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[14:10:43] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Version updates
[14:11:21] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: News (-03 version)
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[14:12:57] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: New media capture attributes
[14:13:13] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: New media capture attribute: lang
[14:13:45] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: New media capture attribute: priority
[14:14:30] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: New media capture attribute: relatedTo
[14:14:42] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: New media capture attribute: priority
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[14:27:08] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: New media capture attributes
[14:27:25] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: New media capture attribute: relatedTo
[14:33:45] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: New media capture attribute: dynamic
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[14:39:45] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 9: New definition of description
[14:40:18] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 10: New video capture attribute: embeddedText
[14:40:41] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 11: sceneSpace
[14:42:30] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 12: simultaneousSet
[14:43:03] <Martin Thomson> That's one helluva lot of points to describe a rectangular prism.
[14:45:57] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 13: captureEncoding
[14:46:46] <Martin Thomson> A rectangular prism can be defined by as few as 9 values, 24 is too much.
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[14:47:39] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentazione interrotta
[14:48:13] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Paul Kyzivat
[14:48:17] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: CLUE Signaling draft-kyzivat-clue-signal
[14:48:26] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: CLUE Signaling History
[14:48:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> whoops sorry, different slide on screen
[14:48:50] <Lorenzo Miniero> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-clue-1.pptx
[14:49:24] <Lorenzo Miniero> 00, 31 jan: basic outline
[14:49:35] <Lorenzo Miniero> 01 4-feb, two call flows added by Roberta
[14:49:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> 02, 18-feb, several proposals added
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[14:50:22] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: CLUE Signaling Status
[14:51:20] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: CLUE Signaling Open Issues
[14:51:56] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: CLUE Signaling Versioning
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[14:53:58] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: CLUE Signaling Option
[14:54:58] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: CLUE Signaling Payload of ADV, CFG, ERRO
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[14:56:53] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: CLUE Signaling msg acknowledgement mecha
[14:59:34] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 9: CLUE Signaling Channel mgmt
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[15:01:13] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 10: CLUE Signaling Coordination of CLUE and
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[15:02:02] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 11: CLUE Signaling Use Cases
[15:03:41] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 12: CLUE Signaling Legacy interop
[15:03:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 13: CLUE Signaling CLUE over RTCWEB
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[15:04:30] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 14: CLUE Signaling Next Steps
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[15:07:39] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 12: CLUE Signaling Legacy interop
[15:08:35] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentazione interrotta
[15:08:53] <Lorenzo Miniero> New presentation: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-clue-3.pdf
[15:08:59] <Lorenzo Miniero> Current presenter: Rob Hansen
[15:09:01] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Untangling
some
SDP/CLUE
in
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[15:09:38] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: SDP/CLUE
independence

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[15:11:14] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Sugges6on:
Channels
independent
[15:11:52] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Sugges6on:
Channels
independent
[15:19:20] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Split
of
SDP/CLUE
informa6on
[15:21:05] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: SDP
as
envelope

[15:21:23] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Media
nego6a6on
in
SDP

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[15:29:34] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: SDP
as
envelope

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