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[15:51:16] <Jonathan Lennox> I will be jabber scribe
[15:51:34] <Jonathan Lennox> Is anyone here yet who isn't local?
[15:51:54] <Lorenzo Miniero> Jonathan we can help you with the automatic slidetitle2jabber feature
[15:52:03] <Lorenzo Miniero> should help you not to write that much :)
[15:52:05] <Jonathan Lennox> Thanks, that's very useful
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[16:03:13] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: CLUE WG IETF-84
[16:03:43] <Lorenzo Miniero> For an integrated view of the jabber room, slides and audio/video from the room, there's a Meetecho room available http://www.meetecho.com/ietf84/clue
[16:03:53] <Lorenzo Miniero> Only for the brave, we also have a WebRTC point of entry to the audio/video feed :)
[16:04:05] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Note Well
[16:04:08] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Agenda – Monday, July 30th, 09:00-11:3
[16:04:57] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Agenda - Wednesday 15:10-17:10
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[16:05:20] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentazione interrotta
[16:05:32] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: CLUE Framework
[16:05:56] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Agenda
[16:06:20] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Overall Status
[16:07:25] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Changes in version 06
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[16:08:36] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Ticket #5 describing composed captures
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[16:11:17] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Ticket #9 – axis of capture
[16:14:38] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Ticket #8 – differentiate between capture scenes
[16:16:49] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: Ticket #10 – is there sufficient info
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[16:18:10] <RjS> Apologies if this has been asked/discussed here before - I'm filling out a trouble-ticket for the audio (probably redundant) but wanted to know if the remote folks could hear people at the line microphones
[16:18:35] <Lorenzo Miniero> I'm checking the RTSP feed and it seems fine
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[16:23:53] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentazione interrotta
[16:24:08] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: CLUE RTP usage
[16:24:40] <John Leslie> RTSP is fine except for dropouts for me...
[16:25:10] <Lorenzo Miniero> John are you remote?
[16:25:23] <Lorenzo Miniero> I'm getting a few dropouts too but it seems caused by the wireless
[16:25:28] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Problem statement
[16:25:31] <John Leslie> yes
[16:25:58] <Jonathan Lennox> I am jabber scribe if you have any comments (tho I might myself by up at the mic a fair amount)
[16:26:39] <Simon Romano> I have a feeling that audio is better for the remotes than for the locals :-)
[16:27:07] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Simple case
[16:27:35] <Jonathan Lennox> Simon: implying that the noise is in the speaker system, which might be helpful for troubleshooting
[16:27:37] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Complex case
[16:28:09] <Simon Romano> I actually think so...
[16:28:36] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Possible solutions
[16:28:40] <Simon Romano> We'll have to check the recordings...
[16:28:45] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: Complex case
[16:29:13] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: Possible solutions
[16:29:55] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: RTP sessions
[16:30:29] <Lorenzo Miniero> FYI, a Meetecho room is available http://www.meetecho.com/ietf84/clue
[16:30:36] <Lorenzo Miniero> with jabber+slides+audio/video
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[16:31:05] <Lorenzo Miniero> just make sure you se a different nickname if you're already in the jabber room with another client
[16:32:28] <RjS> is the speaker right now legible?
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[16:33:27] <Lorenzo Miniero> I can hear Jonathan fine
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[16:34:35] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Proposal
[16:34:49] <RjS> we have the audio tech in the room now
[16:34:50] <Jonathan Lennox> I raised the mic after Spencer complained
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[16:36:05] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: RTP header extension usage
[16:40:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 9: Advantages
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[16:58:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 10: Disadvantages of fixed SSRCs
[16:59:41] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 11: Draft updates
[16:59:43] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 10: Disadvantages of fixed SSRCs
[17:00:33] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 11: Draft updates
[17:01:01] <Lorenzo Miniero> Presentazione interrotta
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[17:01:15] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: Mapping RTP streams to CLUE media capture
[17:01:56] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Introduction
[17:03:09] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Assumptions
[17:06:35] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: RTP/RTCP behavior
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[17:11:11] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: SSRC behavior
[17:12:39] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Examples
[17:13:42] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: Mapping options (1)
[17:15:29] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: Mapping options (2)
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[17:17:12] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 9: Proposal
[17:23:52] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Examples
[17:29:22] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 9: Proposal
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[17:44:13] <Justin Uberti> Are the slides available somewhere? I didn't see them on the agenda page.
[17:44:18] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: draft-romanow-clue-call-flow-02
[17:44:22] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 1: draft-romanow-clue-call-flow-02
[17:44:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> justn you can find them here: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/clue/agenda
[17:44:55] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 2: Call Flow overview
[17:45:14] <Lorenzo Miniero> or just join our meetecho room here: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf84/clue
[17:45:26] <Lorenzo Miniero> we have the slides being projected there
[17:46:03] <Justin Uberti> thanks, user error on my part
[17:46:52] <Lorenzo Miniero> you need to use a different display name
[17:46:59] <Lorenzo Miniero> if you tried the one you're already using now
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[17:48:59] <John Leslie> (I'm getting no audio, ping to server is fine...)
[17:49:09] <Lorenzo Miniero> we're working on that, sorry!
[17:49:20] <Lorenzo Miniero> a problem withou our streaming client here
[17:49:27] <Lorenzo Miniero> should be fine in a few minutes
[17:49:49] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Illustrative Transport: SCTP (over DTLS)
[17:49:50] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 3: Illustrative Transport: SCTP (over DTLS)
[17:49:51] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 4: SDP
[17:49:52] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 5: CLUE in SIP/SDP
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[17:52:22] <Lorenzo Miniero> audio should be back
[17:52:24] <Lorenzo Miniero> does it work for you, John?
[17:52:49] <Simon Romano> Damned Windows update! The audio netbook got automatically rebooted...sorry :-(
[17:52:54] <John Leslie> (not hearing anything)
[17:53:16] <Lorenzo Miniero> try opening the RTSP stream again
[17:53:33] <Simon Romano> It should be up again.
[17:53:48] <John Leslie> (audio, but lots of echo...)
[17:53:48] <Lorenzo Miniero> I've just tried and I can hear everything ok
[17:54:11] <Lorenzo Miniero> may it be you're getting the feed twice?
[17:54:13] <John Leslie> (audio went quiet)
[17:54:26] <Lorenzo Miniero> there's no echo in my feed
[17:54:49] <John Leslie> (lots of echo again..)
[17:54:57] <Lorenzo Miniero> try closing all the clients you had to listen t the RTSP feed and open a fresh one: rtsp://vancouver.conf.meetecho.com/2ofockw.sdp
[17:55:04] <Lorenzo Miniero> weird!
[17:55:26] <Lorenzo Miniero> I just have a slight hall effect but no echo
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[17:56:35] <John Leslie> (audio now OK after restart...)
[17:56:43] <Simon Romano> :-)
[17:57:25] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 6: Post-SIP behaviour
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[17:59:53] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 7: CLUE Messages
[18:01:02] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 8: SCTP channel re-establishment and CLUE state
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[18:03:55] <Simon Romano> Slide 10: SIP/CLUE mid-call interaction
[18:04:00] <Simon Romano> Slide 11: SIP/CLUE mid-call interaction
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[18:04:30] <Simon Romano> Current presenter: Rob Hansen
[18:04:30] <Simon Romano> Slide 11: SIP/CLUE mid-call interaction
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[18:08:41] <Simon Romano> Slide 12: RTP multiplexing
[18:08:59] <Simon Romano> Slide 13: Questions
[18:09:57] <Simon Romano> Slide 11: SIP/CLUE mid-call interaction
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[18:12:35] <Simon Romano> Goodbye!
[18:12:41] <Lorenzo Miniero> a recording of this CLUE sessions will soon be availaboe on http://www.meetecho.com/ietf84
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[18:12:54] <Lorenzo Miniero> see you around!
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[18:41:24] <Simon Romano> Slide 1: TELEPRESENCE TUTORIAL
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[18:41:32] <Simon Romano> Current presenter: Mary Barnes
[18:41:32] <Simon Romano> Slide 1: TELEPRESENCE TUTORIAL
[18:41:51] <Simon Romano> Slide 2: Overview
[18:42:04] <Lorenzo Miniero> a Meetecho room is available for this CLUE tutorial as well: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf84/cluetutorial
[18:42:07] <Simon Romano> Slide 3: INTRODUCTION TO TELEPRESENCE
[18:42:19] <Lorenzo Miniero> just make sure you don't use the same nickname you may be using with another jabber client
[18:43:27] <Simon Romano> Slide 4: What is Telepresence: Co-location
[18:43:42] <Simon Romano> Slide 4: What is Telepresence: Co-location
[18:46:25] <Simon Romano> Slide 5: History
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[18:48:25] <Simon Romano> Slide 6: Some Product Examples
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[18:49:25] <Simon Romano> Slide 7: Telepresence: Definition
[18:49:54] <Simon Romano> Slide 8: How is it done?
[18:50:08] <Simon Romano> Slide 8: How is it done?
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[18:51:29] <Simon Romano> Slide 9: How is it done?
[18:51:55] <Simon Romano> Current presenter: Steve Botzko
[18:51:56] <Simon Romano> Slide 9: How is it done?
[18:51:57] <Simon Romano> Slide 10: How is it done?
[18:52:25] <Simon Romano> Slide 11: Essential Co-location Requirements
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[18:53:47] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 12: IETF CLUE Working Group
[18:54:00] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 13: What is CLUE?
[18:54:10] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 14: What is CLUE?
[18:54:30] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 15: Scope of CLUE
[18:54:56] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 16: Working Towards a Solution
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[18:55:35] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 17: CLUE TELEPRESENCE SCENARIOS
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[18:56:09] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 18: Overview
[18:56:31] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 19: Central Cameras
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[18:57:19] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 20: Cameras located with screens
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[18:58:01] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 21: Telepresence architecture
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[18:58:27] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 22: Point-to-Point Symmetric 3-Screens
[18:59:40] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 23: Asymmetric Screens
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[19:00:45] <Lorenzo Miniero> FYI, a Meetecho room is available for this CLUE tutorial as well: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf84/cluetutorial
[19:00:50] <Lorenzo Miniero> just make sure you don't use the same nickname you may be using with another jabber client
[19:01:00] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 24: Multipoint
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[19:02:37] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 25: Continuous Presence
[19:02:41] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 24: Multipoint
[19:02:55] <Lorenzo Miniero> Relatore corrente: Roni Even
[19:02:56] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 24: Multipoint
[19:03:21] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 25: Continuous Presence
[19:03:48] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 26: Additional Use Cases
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[19:05:15] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 27: CLUE Framework
[19:05:28] <Lorenzo Miniero> Relatore corrente: Allyn Romanow
[19:05:28] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 27: CLUE Framework
[19:06:01] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 28: Power of the Framework
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[19:08:26] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 29: What is the Framework?
[19:09:49] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 30: Provider and Consumer
[19:10:45] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 31: Basic Idea
[19:12:39] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 32: Media Captures
[19:13:55] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 33: Capture Attributes
[19:15:59] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 34: Capture Scene
[19:17:38] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 35: Basic CLUE Messaging
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[19:19:02] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 36: Provider Capture Advertisement
[19:19:28] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 37: Consumer Choice
[19:20:11] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 38: Receiver Choosing is Powerful
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[19:26:10] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 39: FRAMEWORK REALIZATION
[19:26:30] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 40: Example Endpoint - Alice
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[19:27:01] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 41: Example Call-Flow
[19:28:15] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 42: Example SIP INVITE
[19:29:37] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 43: Example CLUE Advertisement
[19:30:21] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 44: Example Captures
[19:32:02] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 45: Capture Spatial Parameters
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[19:33:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 46: Example Entries
[19:34:44] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 47: Encoding Group
[19:36:19] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 48: CLUE Configure
[19:39:12] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 49: Multi-stream media
[19:40:03] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 50: Bob changes his request
[19:40:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 51: 2nd CLUE Configure
[19:41:07] <Lorenzo Miniero> Slide 52: Summary
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