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[15:59:49] <Daniel King_web_107> Hearing you loud and clear.
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[16:03:02] <Haomian Zheng_web_738> will help on minutes taker.
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[16:10:47] <Daniel King_web_107> Will also help with minutes.
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[16:35:56] <John Scudder_web_282> audio is terrible for me too
[16:36:02] <Daniel King_web_107> Ah, same for me. Audio clipping from Haomian.
[16:36:04] <John Scudder_web_282> maybe put question in chat?
[16:36:17] <John Scudder_web_282> audio still unusable
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[16:36:39] <John Scudder_web_282> can't hear fatai either?
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[16:36:52] <Italo Busi_web_143> it seems the audio is unstable for everybody
[16:36:53] <John Scudder_web_282> better!
[16:36:54] <Haomian Zheng_web_738> what is the target of layer0-types, besides supporting optical impairment topology?
[16:37:18] <Haomian Zheng_web_738> do we want to use this to also support other document? e.g., flexi-grid topology?
[16:37:48] <Italo Busi_web_143> @haomian: dwdm-if, wson tunnel and flexi-grid tunnel models depend on layer0-types-ext
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[16:39:02] <Haomian Zheng_web_738> Good plan @italo
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[16:39:25] <Adrian Farrel_web_952> Yes, let's ask Adrian
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[16:40:30] <Adrian Farrel_web_952> Actually, the AD is probably the best person to ask about this
[16:41:47] <Italo Busi_web_143> similar understanding as Dieter
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[16:43:24] <Italo Busi_web_143> Aihua is right: I was forgetting the wson and flexi-grid path computation models ...
[16:43:55] <Haomian Zheng_web_738> all of these with -v2?
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[16:49:12] <Adrian Farrel_web_952> Flexi-grid weekly calls
Thursdays @ 14:00 CET
https://zoom.us/j/96715237995?pwd=WmcwMVZ3c1kyY0pucUhNcW
VNOHNvdz09
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[16:50:09] <Dieter Beller_web_595> This is my view: whatever all layer0-related YANG models need in terms of layer0-types extensions are fitting to the scope of the lyer0-types-ext draft. So, everything can go in up to the point in time we want to publish -v2.
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[16:51:36] <Italo Busi_web_143> I agree with Dieter
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[16:51:43] <Haomian Zheng_web_958> suggest to have a 'cutting point' for -v2, it will be a mess if we put too much dependent models on the same types file as a cluster. Anyway we can start -v3 right after publication lol.
[16:52:32] <Italo Busi_web_143> @haomian, if we need to publish an RFC sooner than other, we can still split between v2 and v3 in the same way we have split between v1 and v2
[16:52:52] <Haomian Zheng_web_958> No problem and we can decide later.
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[16:54:15] <Dieter Beller_web_595> 👍🏻
[16:58:11] <Daniel King_web_107> Great, thanks Dieter!
[16:58:30] <Daniel King_web_107> Good point Haomian, thank you.
[17:00:29] <Lorenzo Miniero_web_163> Yes we can hear you
[17:00:31] <Scott Mansfield_web_115> hello
[17:00:56] <Scott Mansfield_web_115> next slide
[17:01:02] <John Scudder_web_282> fatai, can you hear us?
[17:01:04] <John Scudder_web_282> next slide please
[17:01:11] <Lorenzo Miniero_web_163> It looks like the screen sharing feed is frozen (0kbps)
[17:01:22] <Lorenzo Miniero_web_163> Yep, he dropped
[17:01:32] <Lorenzo Miniero_web_163> Anyway you can open the preloaded slides
[17:01:38] <Lorenzo Miniero_web_163> I imported them all here
[17:01:49] <Lorenzo Miniero_web_163> Second icon under your name
[17:01:54] <Lorenzo Miniero_web_163> (barred document)
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[17:03:50] <John Scudder_web_282> <clap clap>
[17:03:56] <Fatai Zhang_web_637> I am back, sorry
[17:04:28] <John Scudder_web_282> perfect timing ;-)
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[17:05:44] <Fatai Zhang_web_637> tnanks, :-)
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[17:25:26] <Scott Mansfield_web_115> schema mount needs a larger discussion, I agree.
[17:26:30] <Daniel King_web_107> +1 Support
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[17:33:32] <Daniel King_web_107> No question, just wanted to say this is function that already existed in previous WG document(s), so it would be good for the WG to adopt sooner, rather than later.
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[17:38:44] <Fatai Zhang_web_637> Dan, noted, thanks
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[17:45:25] <Daniel King_web_107> I have question relationship with other network inventory models and also service attachment point models. I will post to list.
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[17:47:23] <John Scudder_web_282> basically the most important thing regarding home WG from my PoV: (1) the work should happen where there is energy to do it, and (2) other WGs to which the work is relevant should be kept in the loop. As I said we can iterate with the chairs of the other WGs.
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[17:53:32] <Adrian Farrel_web_952> I think the question (Dan may already be typing this on the list) was not whether "optical inventory" belonged somewhere else, but whether there are other places where "inventory" models are being built that should share an approach or even some common model
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[17:55:28] <John Scudder_web_282> yes, point taken
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[17:58:26] <Haomian Zheng_web_958> BTW, we are looking forward to contribution from ccamp experts, for optical cloud applications.
[17:58:56] <Deborah Brungard_web_396> I can do my comments via chat. Overall need to separate data plane from control plane. For data plane is SG15 responsibility.
[18:00:21] <Haomian Zheng_web_958> Thank you Deborah, we will follow with SG15 progress:)
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[18:00:54] <John Scudder_web_282> People may also want to look at the rtgwg minutes. The raw hedgedoc notes are at https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-112-rtgwg#
[18:01:21] <Dieter Beller_web_595> Re draft-liu-rtgwg-optical2cloud-problem-statement-00: CCAMP is focusing on control plane aspects of the OTN - most of the requirements presented are data plane related. So, it is not clear to me to what extent the control plane can help meeting these requirements.
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[18:04:56] <Fatai Zhang_web_637> see you
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[18:05:14] <Scott Mansfield_web_115> thanks!
[18:05:19] <Daniel King_web_350> Thanks all
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[18:05:26] <Aihua Guo_web_459> thanks all. bye!
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[18:05:30] <Deborah Brungard_web_396> Bye!
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