[18:22:33] dmw.winter joins the room [18:33:20] tomkri joins the room [18:45:19] mhp joins the room [18:53:26] Krishna Kalluri joins the room [18:54:30] Krishna Kalluri leaves the room [18:58:44] alfredh joins the room [19:03:40] lion joins the room [19:04:10] ysuzuki joins the room [19:07:18] Simon Perreault joins the room [19:07:24] hscholz joins the room [19:08:02] ttfr joins the room [19:08:39] Dan York joins the room [19:08:49] Dan York has set the subject to: BLISS at IETF 73 [19:08:57] Simon Perreault leaves the room [19:09:05] Krishna Kalluri joins the room [19:09:10] I'm here to Jabber scribe. [19:09:16] Chairs bashing the agenda [19:09:30] Jason updating on Call Park [19:09:39] (Michael Proctor can't be here.) [19:09:45] any audio streaming? [19:09:50] I can hear it [19:10:02] barely hear it [19:10:30] Yes I too have problem with Audio [19:10:45] Can't hear [19:10:56] Can you hear JDR at mic? [19:11:00] Yes [19:11:00] yes [19:11:03] yes [19:11:11] JDR voice is better [19:11:18] yeah mic is loud and clear [19:11:26] Ok [19:11:29] ask the chairs to switch on their mics :) [19:11:42] Can you hear Jason? [19:11:46] no [19:11:47] Nope [19:11:47] simov joins the room [19:11:54] Simon Perreault joins the room [19:11:58] Not Jason's [19:12:05] Simon Perreault leaves the room [19:12:18] thanks Dan [19:12:26] No problem [19:12:51] sounds like the question mic is the only one working [19:12:52] Hum to accept the current draft of Call Park as a WG item? [19:13:35] what was the result of the hum? [19:14:16] Lukewarm hum to proceed [19:14:22] w00t! [19:14:22] JDR at mic, Mary Barnes queued [19:14:42] Mary [19:14:44] simov leaves the room [19:14:55] Alan Johnston getting mic'd up [19:15:33] much better [19:15:38] Shared Appearance of a SIP AOR [19:15:56] I'm not seeing the slides on https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/73/materials.html [19:16:28] Miguel Garcia joins the room [19:16:46] wolfgang.beck01 joins the room [19:17:06] frodek joins the room [19:17:56] Showing a call flow [19:18:08] voriukas joins the room [19:18:48] can't see Line sharing slides in the material page [19:21:54] No, they aren't. [19:22:33] I'll ask if they will be posted soon. [19:23:06] Thx [19:23:48] Open issue - support for REQ-16 [19:24:14] Dan, what was the answer about the availability of the slides? [19:24:23] I can't hear that mic [19:24:24] Slides are at http://www.bliss-ietf.org/meetings/ietf73/ [19:24:31] Thanks [19:24:38] simov joins the room [19:24:53] spencerdawkins joins the room [19:25:12] Open issue: support for Reg Event Package [19:25:54] http://www.bliss-ietf.org/meetings/ietf73/ [19:26:11] You can get the slides from above link [19:26:59] open issue: Server mode of operation [19:28:31] JDR at mic [19:31:37] Scott Lawrence queued at mic [19:33:40] Adam Roach [19:34:53] Martin Dolly at mic [19:35:33] wolfgang.beck01 leaves the room [19:35:39] Andrew Hutton at mic [19:37:23] Dale Worley at mic [19:40:59] Sebastian.Kiesel joins the room [19:41:10] OPEN ISSUE: Publication to a shared group AOR [19:43:23] Paul K at mic [19:44:35] Dale Worley at mic [19:45:13] Miguel Garcia leaves the room [19:45:35] Scott Lawrence at mic [19:45:51] dmw.winter leaves the room [19:50:28] Adam Roach and then Paul K at the mic [19:50:52] By the way, we are on "OPEN ISSUE: Appearance number for forked calls" [19:51:07] Now - "OPEN ISSUE: Alert-info parameter default URI" [19:54:14] Moving now to draft-ietf-bliss-call-completion-02.txt [19:54:20] Dale Worley presenting [20:02:15] BTW, slides are at http://www.bliss-ietf.org/meetings/ietf73/call-completion.ppt [20:02:18] sal joins the room [20:03:38] Jim joins the room [20:05:01] Paul K at mic [20:06:57] Francois Audet [20:09:16] Adam Roach at mic [20:11:59] ScottMcGlashan joins the room [20:13:59] Dale is done [20:14:11] That was Francois and I up at the mic earlier. [20:14:38] Theo Zourzouvillys now up on ACH Proxy Config Requirements [20:15:17] Can you hear Theo? [20:15:29] Yeah [20:15:56] hscholz leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [20:15:56] hscholz joins the room [20:17:37] JDR at mic [20:17:44] "less is more" :-) [20:19:07] ScottMcGlashan leaves the room [20:19:37] hscholz leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [20:19:38] hscholz joins the room [20:21:05] maureen.stillman joins the room [20:22:50] Joel Halpern at mic [20:23:34] JDR at mic [20:24:15] simov leaves the room [20:27:15] voriukas leaves the room [20:32:51] Scott McGlashan joins the room [20:34:19] BTW, JDR is now speaking about BLISS and REST [20:34:45] http://www.bliss-ietf.org/meetings/ietf73/ietf73-bliss-jdrosen-rest.ppt [20:35:08] hi Dan, I am in oauth bof, can you summarize briefly the discussion? [20:35:58] sal - Sure, but so far JDR is speaking to his slides [20:36:04] Currently on his Proposal slides [20:36:39] Francois [20:38:07] hscholz leaves the room [20:38:40] asking about whether an event package for HTTP resources changes will be an issue [20:38:55] John Elwell at mic [20:39:43] questioning JDR about document structure [20:40:14] Jason Fischl at mic - we have to do the notification [20:40:18] Salvatore Loreto: if we are going to use Restful (that means HTTP) why not use BOSH to transport HTTP event? [20:40:19] poll won't be a solution [20:40:32] wil [20:40:37] will ask [20:40:40] thanks [20:42:08] Bidirectional-streams Over Synchronous HTTP (BOSH) is a transport protocol that emulates a bidirectional stream between two entities (such as a client and a server ) by using multiple synchronous HTTP request/response pairs without requiring the use of polling or asynchronous chunking. [20:42:17] courtesy of wikipedia [20:43:20] thanks [20:43:22] chris.boulton joins the room [20:43:50] sal: the challenge was that few here in the room could speak to what BOSH is. [20:44:08] can [20:44:14] can't hear the hum???? [20:44:17] Not able to listen the question/comment [20:44:21] what are they humming about? [20:44:27] Hum on whether we should look into this - some hums [20:44:34] Only about 1 hum against [20:44:45] look into REST? [20:44:47] so we will look in BOSH ? [20:44:51] oh [20:45:34] sal: No, that wasn't the hum. [20:45:37] http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0124.html [20:46:18] Markus Isomaki is talking now. [20:46:45] Markus asking clarification around why a framework doc is needed [20:46:51] Christer Holmberg at mic [20:47:01] Cullen and Keith queued [20:48:06] Christer - is the hum to look into this or to replace XCAP? (it is to ultimately replace XCAP) [20:48:46] no Restful can not replace XCAP [20:48:46] Cullen - why not a RAI-wide model? [20:49:57] sal: It won't replace XCAP in all places. [20:50:21] yep I know [20:50:48] but I like the Cullen Idea of investigating a RAI-wide model [20:51:42] Eric Burger at mic: Would be good for Apps Area review. [20:53:27] sure Apps Area should take a look on it, [20:53:53] I'm in favor of REST approach as well so how do we hum from the jabber room? What is the protocol? [20:54:13] sal: Yes, that was my point, too... it's fine if we do something here in BLISS, but we do need to look at how it can be used RAI-wide. [20:54:52] great Dan, maybe we can talk later on this issue, if you want ! together with Jonathan and others [20:55:00] OK, outcome is good with me. [20:55:01] maureen.stillman: If there was much of a difference, I would have have relayed your hum. [20:55:13] No one hummed in opposition. [20:55:14] agreed. no need. [20:55:25] John Elwell now up with ACH Analysis [20:55:56] can you point the slides? [20:55:57] http://www.bliss-ietf.org/meetings/ietf73/draft-ietf-bliss-ach-analysis.ppt [20:57:05] Open issue 1 - can we fix on 480 as response code? [20:57:08] No objections [20:57:35] Open issue 2 - do we need to write normative statements about response code usage? [20:58:06] Keith Drage at mic [20:58:36] I just wonder why XCAP is not considered, of course people agree REST is a good approach, but saying "REST" does not define anything, neither the protocol nor the data model... [20:59:32] Open issues 3 - various open issues with configuring the proxy [21:00:20] ttfr: FYI, you had two authors of XCAP (JDR and Markus) both here saying that things have changed since XCAP was created and they are now in favor of REST [21:00:38] Open issue 4 - do we need an event package? [21:00:53] Slide: "What next?" [21:02:07] yes, but rest is not a protocol... If you want to address concurrent access, you need something like Etag, if you have multiple elements in your data model, you need something like xpath... [21:02:51] lion leaves the room: Computer went to sleep [21:03:29] Session is over... [21:03:33] what was the cause of malaise? I couldn't hear the speaker. [21:03:35] Dan York leaves the room: Computer went to sleep [21:03:46] ttfr leaves the room [21:03:48] chris.boulton leaves the room [21:03:50] oh, well. never mind. 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