[02:23:32] Dan York joins the room [09:40:37] hscholz joins the room [14:03:39] mhp joins the room [14:23:14] frodek joins the room [14:23:58] Derrick Kong joins the room [14:25:49] has the meeting started yet? (just want to confirm the audio stream) [14:27:08] No clue, I'm not getting anything [14:27:09] Alissa Cooper joins the room [14:27:42] I'm listening to http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf721.m3u and it sounds like someone is talking now. [14:27:43] audio started [14:27:50] Thanks, Dan [14:28:43] Is there anyone in this chat room who is physically in the room in Dublin? [14:28:48] (I'm remote) [14:29:04] No - I'm remote too [14:29:22] I'm remote also [14:31:34] Well, hopefully none of us want to ask questions, eh? [14:32:01] Indeed! [14:32:35] john.zhao joins the room [14:33:24] CMW5S41 joins the room [14:37:28] ttfr joins the room [14:37:47] john.zhao leaves the room: Replaced by new connection. [14:37:52] john.zhao joins the room [14:41:30] what slide are we on? [14:41:38] I Thin [14:41:42] 4 [14:41:48] I think it is slide 4 now [14:41:58] thanks [14:42:10] got it [14:42:44] I'm physically present at the meeting [14:42:52] cool! [14:43:19] but as a non native english speaker, questions should be important... [14:43:25] Wow... audio quality just changed dramatically. [14:43:27] ok [14:43:39] Yes - John turned into Davros - fixed now though [14:43:42] Okay, audio's back now. [14:44:04] frodek: Thanks for being a link for us. [14:44:37] I'll do my best. Can at least update you on the slide numbers [14:45:30] Jean-Francois joins the room [14:46:47] frodek: Thanks. We'll also be very clear when we have a question we would like to have asked. [14:49:43] slide 6 [14:51:28] suzukisn joins the room [15:07:47] Elena joins the room [15:09:28] Dan York agrees with JR's point (if we can't make Call Forwarding work...) [15:10:23] Call Completion (http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08jul/slides/bliss-2.ppt) [15:10:33] slide 2 [15:10:40] Thanks, frodek [15:10:52] (Presented by Martin Hũlsemann) [15:11:45] slide 3 [15:13:28] slide 4 [15:14:43] slide 5 [15:16:44] The reality is that SBCs *will* be in the call path. [15:17:50] Can't we assume that at least some SBCs will be benign though? Surely they can't all break all headers? [15:18:47] Sure... but Adam Roach's comment was that we shouldn't be designing all features with SBCs in mind. [15:21:51] slide 6 [15:22:11] I agree with JR - I'm effectively granting someone access to my telephony "presence" ... knowing when I am on or off the phone. Do I want to share that with everyone? [15:22:27] (No need to ask that at the mic - I see we've moved on.) [15:24:13] Think that most people agree with that [15:25:47] xmlscott joins the room [15:25:53] Alissa Cooper leaves the room [15:27:56] Alissa Cooper joins the room [15:28:36] frodek: I'd like to think most people agree with that... but it wasn't clear to me that the draft really addresses this. I'll take it up on the mailing list, though. [15:28:36] hscholz leaves the room [15:29:01] Elena leaves the room [15:31:54] slide 9 (soon) [15:33:44] Alissa Cooper leaves the room [15:34:36] nm joins the room [15:35:51] nm leaves the room [15:37:12] Alan Johntston on Line Sharing [15:37:41] sebastian.kiesel joins the room [15:37:49] nm joins the room [15:41:00] Alissa Cooper joins the room [15:42:24] (Can't locate the slides. The URL at the materials page seems to point to the previous Call Completion presentation) [15:43:08] ops. my fault [15:44:08] Alissa Cooper leaves the room [15:48:45] (I'm a little confused. But I'm not able to locate the slides) [15:48:49] Slide 8 [15:48:57] typo: Slide 9 [15:54:59] frodek: Yes, the slides don't seem to be on the site. The link for MLA takes you to the slides for Call Completion. [15:56:15] nm leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [15:56:16] nm joins the room [15:56:23] Derrick Kong leaves the room [15:56:42] Xavier Marjou on History Info and Diversion Interworking (http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08jul/slides/bliss-4.ppt) [15:56:55] slide 1 [15:57:01] slide 2 [15:58:42] slide 3 [15:59:24] slide 4 [15:59:51] So the summary is: We built something (History-Info, RFC4244) but everybody's using draft-levy-sip-diversion... so we need to make it so that the efforts can converge and people can move to the standard solution. Is that essentially the main point? [15:59:54] slide 5 [16:01:39] I think you got it. A long line behind the mic [16:02:17] I'm having a problem getting audio. Is it working for others? [16:02:28] Just lost it too [16:02:31] avshalom joins the room [16:02:42] avshalom leaves the room [16:03:01] Okay, I just pinged Joel Jaggli (although his status says "away") [16:03:16] He's checking into it [16:03:39] Mic is working fine so guess problem is elswhere. Seems to have been som problems earlier today also. [16:04:46] Audio is back... but you have to re-connect to the audio stream. [16:05:01] sounds like Martin Dolly at the mic? [16:05:07] yup [16:06:27] CMW5S41 leaves the room [16:08:10] avshalom joins the room [16:08:18] sbuko joins the room [16:08:47] So why do we think people will move to History-Info? i.e. outside of companies that want to "do the right thing" and move to using "History-Info"? If the companies already have a working header - and it works well for them - what is their incentive to even consider this? [16:14:40] Good point about the number of operators on the draft. [16:15:05] nm leaves the room [16:15:54] As I see this, the problem is that operators/providers has "no" control over the customers equipment. So there is a need to support an existing customer base using diversion-header existing/fugure customers using "history-info" and to provide an interworking solution using the same infrastructure. [16:21:44] The discussion is interesting. 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