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[10:02:16] Audio for BLISS at http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf711.m3u [10:04:39] --- doghome2405 has joined [10:05:56] --- lj324o230ar has joined [10:06:04] --- suzukisn has joined [10:08:52] Chairs agenda bashing [10:09:30] --- jr111 has joined [10:10:16] --- sakuma.macx has joined [10:10:54] Thomas Froment speaking [10:11:03] draft-ligot-bliss-sip-services-guide [10:13:23] Slides: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/slides/bliss-1.pdf [10:13:36] Slide 3 - Next [10:14:55] --- =JeffH has joined [10:15:49] --- isudo has joined [10:16:02] Question is being asked - does this belong in BLISS? [10:16:06] John Elwell at mic [10:16:38] --- lminiero has joined [10:16:45] --- ysuzuki has joined [10:17:06] --- hscholz has joined [10:17:44] Jonathan Rosenberg at mic [10:17:47] --- victor.pascual.avila has joined [10:18:49] Christer Helmburg at mic [10:19:02] Likes the doc and thanks Thomas for putting it together [10:19:05] (as did JR) [10:19:09] Preso done [10:19:19] John Elwell up next with Automated Handling [10:19:32] Slides: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/slides/bliss-2.ppt [10:19:50] Reminder that audio is at http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf711.m3u [10:20:09] Slide 2 [10:20:12] Changes from 00 [10:20:59] --- john.zhao has joined [10:21:14] Slide 3 - Potential measures - 1 [10:21:21] --- tomkri has joined [10:22:17] Slide 4 - Potential measures - 2 [10:22:43] Slide 5 - Potential measures - 3 [10:23:21] --- alfredh has joined [10:23:52] JR at mic [10:25:55] filadelfia [10:26:29] Slide 7 - Potential measures 5 [10:27:34] Slide 8 [10:27:38] JR at mic [10:28:22] last slide - Summary [10:29:20] Francois at mic [10:31:42] --- =JeffH has left [10:31:59] Martin Dolly at mic [10:32:03] JR now at mic [10:32:10] (JR is agreeing with Martin) [10:34:03] Scott Lawrence at mic [10:34:11] --- =JeffH has joined [10:38:32] --- inca49@jabber.org has joined [10:41:52] --- =JeffH has left [10:42:47] JR at mic [10:44:02] Martin Dolly at mic [10:44:50] --- inca49@jabber.org has left [10:45:19] --- Diaeo Besprosvan has joined [10:45:27] --- Diaeo Besprosvan has left [10:45:38] --- Diego B has joined [10:47:28] Francois and JR debating at the mics [10:48:08] The question is whether input should be on the design team mailing list or the BLISS mailing list. [10:49:24] preso over [10:49:31] Denis alexeitsev now up [10:49:42] draft-ietf-bliss-call-completion-01 [10:52:46] call completion slides are not on the meeting materials page [10:55:44] --- yushun has joined [11:03:13] --- lj324o230ar has left [11:03:23] --- lj324o230ar has joined [11:03:30] --- sal has joined [11:04:18] No, they aren't [11:04:53] My apologies for not tracking the speakers at the mic - hopefully they are coming through the audio [11:10:22] Audio is loud and clear :-) [11:11:23] --- isudo has left: Replaced by new connection [11:11:28] --- isudo has joined [11:11:31] JR at mic [11:15:18] Adam Roach and JR at mic [11:15:57] --- john.zhao has left: Disconnected. [11:16:16] Next preso - call park [11:16:39] http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/slides/bliss-4.ppt [11:17:10] Derek MacDonald presenting [11:17:17] Slide 4 [11:24:20] Chairs ask people to go read this draft and provide feedback on the list. [11:24:27] Next up - Alan Johnston [11:24:42] MLA [11:24:44] Slides - http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/slides/bliss-3.ppt [11:25:18] Slide 2 - status [11:25:30] Slide 3 [11:26:17] Draft is at http://tools.ietf.org/rfcmarkup?doc=draft-johnston-bliss-mla-req [11:26:52] --- john.zhao has joined [11:29:47] --- hscholz has left [11:30:07] IMO, parking a call without any SIP signaling makes sense if the INVITE transaction is completed and ACKed. But in case we are 'in a transaction', we may need to use SIP Signaling. Am I right? [11:30:27] --- mhp has joined [11:31:17] Hmmm... on a slide "Appearance Selection Issue" that is not in the slides on the meeting materials page [11:31:36] --- doghome2405 has left [11:31:49] victor.pascual.avila: Are you asking me to ask this question? [11:32:18] no Dan, Sorry. I was just wondering [11:32:21] Proposal slide - Appearance Selection Proposal [11:32:27] (not in package on MM) [11:33:29] --- cboulton has left [11:34:14] Dale Worley at mic [11:34:46] --- cboulton has joined [11:36:22] --- sakuma.macx has left [11:41:35] late question: is Derek's draft going to be a wg item? [11:41:54] --- spencerdawkins has joined [11:42:09] OK, here's what I'm entering after Rohan's rant... [11:42:12] Adam said that having a 409 that says “this won’t work given the other state I have”, and thinks this is exactly the PUBLISH model. Rohan disagrees - this is all about seizing exclusive access to a resource. This is floor control. You’re doing an action and hiding it as a state change. You wouldn’t have to change BFCP in order to use it here. Adam challenged the idea that a number is a resource here - it’s ephemeral. But Rohan pointed out that ephemeral numbers map to real LEDs on real phones, and challenged the manhood of this feature in a falsetto voice. [11:42:20] comments? [11:43:22] --- gustavogb has joined [11:44:37] --- tomkri has left [11:44:41] The slides on the meeting materials page are different from what's being discussed [11:46:30] yes [11:47:04] Alan warned us that the slides were different [11:47:38] --- cboulton has left [11:55:56] --- mhp has left [11:56:03] --- mhp has joined [11:57:14] --- aki has joined [11:57:14] --- isudo has left [11:57:17] --- isudo has joined [11:57:49] --- aki has left: Lost connection [11:57:52] --- yushun has left [12:00:51] At this point I have to drop off to go to a meeting. 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