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[08:10:59] <cullenfluffyjennings@gmail.com> www.liiss-ietf.org
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[08:12:01] <shep> dig liiss-ietf.org in ns -----> NXDOMAIN
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[08:12:19] <shep> http://www.bliss-ietf.org/charter.txt
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[08:25:24] <xmlscott> test (please ignore)
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[08:34:23] <worley> Need we run down every rathole we spot?
[08:36:06] <xmlscott> there's a line at the mic of people who seem to think so
[08:37:16] <worley> Touche! (And I thought *I* was a scab-picker.)
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[08:37:41] <bpenfield> wasn't it SIPPING 16?
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[08:38:13] <mhp> Yes: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mahy-sipping-16-04.txt
[08:38:31] <bpenfield> what happened to the other 3 features?
[08:39:30] <worley> That I-D says that the vendors don't even agree on what the Sipping 16 features *are*.
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[08:44:08] <worley> What slide is now showing? My count puts me at "How do we fix this?"
[08:44:35] <shep> the "How do we fix this?" slide has been showing for more than 20 minutes, and is still showing
[08:44:56] <shep> but now they're skipping forward quickly through the slides
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[08:45:27] <mhp> Number 21
[08:45:35] <worley> OK, I'm in sync.
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[08:53:13] <worley> The audio just cut out for me.
[08:53:16] <mhp> same here
[08:53:17] <bpenfield> me too
[08:53:30] <mhp> back again
[08:53:42] <worley> OK, it's back.
[08:53:47] <bpenfield> ditto
[08:57:15] <bpenfield> isn't this what the tech-wg at SIP Forum was about?
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[08:57:56] <mhp> Yes. There is some overlap with the attempted 'mig' working group too.
[08:58:06] <mhp> 3rd time lucky?
[08:58:30] <bpenfield> i do agree with JDR that it ought to done in IETF
[08:58:46] <bpenfield> the tech-gw seems do have gone to sleep
[08:59:06] <worley> I take it that nobody has succeeded at this effort before.
[08:59:31] <worley> Who's speaking now? I don't recognize the voice.
[08:59:46] <bpenfield> F. Audet (nortel)
[08:59:53] <worley> Ah, him.
[09:00:37] <worley> Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
[09:00:39] <bpenfield> totally agree with RS, we need BCP to accompay the "examples"
[09:02:08] <worley> I think rosenber's point is important - that agents need a way to discover the capabilities of other agents.
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[09:03:53] <shep> Now on "Example: Park" slide
[09:04:09] <shep> Now on "Challenge 1: Vendor Variation" slide
[09:04:27] <shep> Now on "Challenge 2: Feature Variation" slide
[09:05:12] <shep> "Example: DND Treatment" slide skipped, along with another I think
[09:05:25] <shep> "What is a 'component'?" slide
[09:05:47] <shep> "Design Constraints" slide
[09:06:22] <shep> "Proposed Deliverables" slide
[09:06:47] <shep> "Questions?" slide
[09:07:15] <shep> charter text now on screen http://www.bliss-ietf.org/charter.txt
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[09:07:51] <shep> (actually only first two paragraphs)
[09:07:54] <worley> Thanks, shep. But I'm going to be stepping out during the charter discussion, so don't make an effort for me.
[09:08:00] <shep> (now third paragraph only)\
[09:08:44] <shep> ... going through charter, paragraph by paragraph...
[09:09:27] <bpenfield> the slides they are reading are in the meeting materials
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