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[11:57:38] <Daniel Voyer_web_316> that's the best thing I've learned this am so far (7am)
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[11:58:03] <Mankamana Mishra_web_177> :)
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[11:58:24] <Mankamana Mishra_web_177> its 4 AM learning for me :grinning:
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[12:03:08] <Meetecho> Martin Vigoureux: what's wrong?
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[12:04:04] <Martin Vigoureux_web_601> It's on my device. Trying to sort this. Will get back. Sorry
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[12:05:26] <Martin Vigoureux_web_601> For subnet-forwarding the draft will loose ballots because of iesg change and it will have to go through another telzchat
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[12:14:32] <Jeffrey Haas_web_424> I'm still coming up to speed :-)
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[12:23:11] <Eduard V_web_294> deliver next hop for IPv4 over IPv6 infrastructure is mandatory for the progress to IPv6-only
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[12:39:50] <Stephane Litkowski_web_152> @Wen, we'll wait for the pres to be finished before we proceed with your question
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[13:13:10] <Jeffrey Haas_web_984> The packing conversations will become interesting with any of the PDU formats.  Having some per-NLRI+key state that is optional leads to an interesting discussion about what bits get refactored from path attributes to nlri-optional.  AIGP for example would currently cause packing to break in some situations as well.
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[13:13:46] <Ketan Talaulikar_web_938> @Srihari about the NLRI keys - the keys are just E and C, the non-key is the encapsulation data like label & SID function
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[13:14:19] <Kaliraj Vairavakkalai_web_501> I just wanted to note that the end-to-end intent will not be preserved, if the mechanisms of the CAR validation/resolution are followed as described this presentation (in slide 21, perhaps).
[13:14:48] <Ketan Talaulikar_web_938> @Shraddha the same remote/egress IPv6 PE loopback may be reachable via different intents and hence may use different End.* SIDs for the encapsulation.
[13:15:02] <Srihari Sangli_web_351> @Ketan - I understand, the non-key were attributes and now being proposed to be part of NLRI. My point is, as wg (both IDR and bess) needs to assess if this is the direction that we want to go. My opinion, this is reinventing wheel.
[13:15:09] <Kaliraj Vairavakkalai_web_501> "Transport-layer" CAR routes must not use "default/best-effort" tunnels. In order to preserve end-to-end intent
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[13:17:04] <Ketan Talaulikar_web_938> @Srihari - agree that this needs discussion. Let us also consider that sometimes we need to reinvent the wheel instead of spinning the same one forever?
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[13:17:52] <Ketan Talaulikar_web_938> @Kaliraj, IIRC, the default/best-effort was used as a fallback and that too based on the defined policy
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[13:18:21] <Jeffrey Haas_web_984> The idea of updated NLRI is interesting. Exploring the consequences of it will be good engineering discussion.
[13:18:29] <Srihari Sangli_web_351> @Ketan - lets discuss on alias. I do not agree on your comment.
[13:18:41] <Ketan Talaulikar_web_938> @Jeff - agree
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[13:19:12] <Srihari Sangli_web_351> @Jeff - agree, thanks
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[13:19:29] <Jeffrey Haas_web_984> We're effectively going to end up with path-attribute-2 if you go with non-key data with no constraints on it.
[13:20:17] <Jeffrey Haas_web_984> and I give it fair chance someone will propose embedding existing path attribute space in optional nlri within this year. :-)
[13:20:20] <Kaliraj Vairavakkalai_web_501> @ketan, when u allow transport-layer routes to fallback to default, end-end intent cannot be preserved. you may figure it out when you implement, test :)
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[13:20:49] <Ketan Talaulikar_web_938> @ Jeff - I don't believe the proposal is for "unconstrained" stuff getting into the NLRI. There needs to be a line drawn here.
[13:21:23] <Jeffrey Haas_web_984> Agreed, ketan.  That's where I think the discussion needs to go
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[13:22:12] <Jeffrey Haas_web_984> radical ideas often cause people to have more radical ideas.
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[13:22:50] <Ketan Talaulikar_web_938> @ Kaliraj, consider operator is most concerned with delay in the core (i.e. long haul) and says deploys FlexAlgo with delay metric there. There is no need to do that in the access layer within the metro. So use FA in the core and best effort in the access. :-)
[13:24:58] <Stephane Litkowski_web_152> @Kaliraj, we are running a bit late... not sure we can cover your last slot :( we'll see
[13:25:31] <Kaliraj Vairavakkalai_web_501> ok stephane. no problem. we tried our best. :)
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[13:27:21] <Tony Przygienda_web_646> Since this is the BESS crowd  let me plug-in that we are looking for a shepherd for the bier evpn  draft if anyone interested
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[13:31:16] <Stephane Litkowski_web_152> @Tony, beyond Shepherding, I guess cross-WG review is required
[13:32:07] <Tony Przygienda_web_651> ok, good, how do we bring it in? you want assign someone or should we present next IETF or something?
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[13:35:22] <Stephane Litkowski_web_152> first step, may be to send the document pointer and review request to the BESS list. I'll check with few folks if they can review (to ensure there is a review :) ). Ideally a presentation may have been good. Have you passed the WGLC in BIER WG ?
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[13:36:00] <Mankamana Mishra_web_177> may be one call in BESS too that will give reason to read may be
[13:36:18] <Tony Przygienda_web_651> sure, we don't mind. it passed BIER but we can call in BESS as well
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[13:36:55] <Tony Przygienda_web_651> poke me & Shep 1:1 and we sync who's calling etc
[13:37:06] <Stephane Litkowski_web_152> sure
[13:37:55] <Tony Przygienda_web_651> meet wil cut you off
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[13:38:30] <Tony Przygienda_web_651> good 'nuff, peoiple can read the draft. basically we're doing a full ZTP EVPN draft in RIFT (which we can ;-) Read up, look up, talk to us ;-)
[13:39:33] <Stephane Litkowski_web_152> We'll have time for your slot, @Tony
[13:39:48] <Tony Przygienda_web_651> sure, I stick. I'm sure IDR is just status slides first ;-)
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[13:41:25] <Ville Hallivuori_web_172> Did we lose audio?
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[13:41:36] <Jeffrey Haas_web_984> The speaker is a bit quiet.
[13:41:42] <Stephane Litkowski_web_152> I don't, working fine for me
[13:41:45] <Tony Przygienda_web_651> no, just restart it, bottom right corner
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[13:41:55] <Tony Przygienda_web_651> this meetecho has nice new features but bit shaky
[13:41:56] <Meetecho> Or increase the volume slider
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[13:42:15] <Meetecho> As the speaker's audio is indeed a bit faint
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[13:45:47] <Tony Przygienda_web_651> I like the timer shown @ top a lot. Nice tool
[13:45:50] <Shraddha Hegde_web_626> @ketan The SIDs are ipv6 addresses after all. and BGP is a way to advertise the reachability to those IPv6 addresses. so different intent SIDs can be advertised as different prefixes in BGP. What is the actual usecase that requires this complexity?
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[13:46:14] <Stephane Litkowski_web_152> @Tony, yeah ! Jeff told me privately about this, really nide and helpful
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[13:46:27] <Stephane Litkowski_web_152> s/nide/nice
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[13:47:55] <Tony Przygienda_web_651> after time ran down it should automatically start to count up US$ fine the speaker has to pay ;-)
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[13:49:10] <dee3@hot-chilli.net> Maybe should cut you off unless you have entered a credit card number to cover the fine…
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[13:50:19] <Ketan Talaulikar_web_938> @Shraddha there is no assumption that the IPv6 prefix in the NLRI would only be SRv6 Locator
[13:50:25] <Tony Przygienda_web_651> one great idea after the next ;-) IETF as coin operated machinery ...
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[13:53:44] <Tony Li_web_368> Full screen would be helpful.
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[13:53:54] <Tony Li_web_368> @Stephane...
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[13:54:43] <Tony Li_web_368> Thank you!
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[13:54:56] <Tony Li_web_368> @Tony too much text per slide
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[13:55:11] <Tony Li_web_368> and too small a font
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[13:58:50] <Tony Li_web_368> @meetecho Do you implement automatic gain control?
[13:59:07] <Meetecho> Tony: the browser does
[13:59:11] <Jie Dong_web_895> FYI the link to the bgp autoconf dt draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-autoconf-considerations/
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[13:59:39] <Eduard V_web_294> all voices was very good for me, even when some told that presenter is silent
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[14:00:13] <Tony Li_web_368> Some folks are very very quiet. I'm using Chrome on OS X.
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[14:00:21] <Tony Przygienda_web_651> only the first one ;-)
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[14:00:36] <Eduard V_web_294> not for me. it was good
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