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[07:31:22] yes it was just that one guy [07:31:44] ok. Stuart, asking for people to state their name? Maybe it's just that front participant mic. [07:32:06] this mike? [07:32:33] nat4444.... sigh [07:32:44] speaking now is Chris Donley. [07:32:58] this one is loud but not overmodulated [07:33:06] ok [07:33:08] the one guy sounded like a pirate radio station [07:35:56] arifumi joins the room [07:36:31] gigix73 joins the room [07:37:55] anthony.baire joins the room [07:38:32] Jonathan Lennox leaves the room [07:40:00] Tina TSOU joins the room [07:41:38] mawatari joins the room [07:42:28] this mike/guy is overmodulated again [07:42:33] iljitsch leaves the room [07:42:34] yes. [07:42:37] in the room, too. [07:45:28] slide 2 [07:45:38] 3 [07:46:04] geir joins the room [07:47:22] 4 [07:47:53] 5 [07:48:22] 7 [07:49:21] 8 [07:49:22] 9 [07:50:06] 10 [07:50:34] 11 [07:51:26] 12 [07:52:29] 13 [07:53:01] 13 [07:53:02] 14 [07:53:52] 15 [07:54:40] Suz joins the room [07:54:54] 16 [07:55:29] 17 [07:58:49] 18 [08:00:30] Phew. I thought Jari said he liked option 2, but that "option 2" is not 2 in the list of 10, but the "heuristics" under the Proposals [08:00:45] Just to be clear [08:01:40] becarpenter joins the room [08:03:00] Now presenting http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/79/slides/behave-6.pdf [08:03:53] slide 2 [08:04:31] 3 [08:05:15] 4 [08:07:14] 5 [08:08:22] 6 [08:10:23] 7 [08:11:26] Jari at mic. Now viewing slide 6. [08:13:04] viewing slide 7 [08:13:44] 8 [08:15:57] iljitsch joins the room [08:15:58] gigix73 leaves the room [08:16:12] gigix73 joins the room [08:16:45] what is it that jari said that everyone's agreeing with? [08:17:06] (I walked into a 3G deadzone when I entered the building...) [08:17:29] the problem with tunnels is that you need two endpoints [08:17:42] hajime tazaki joins the room [08:17:51] with translation you're much more flexible [08:19:04] the thing that he said was that the draft should be more limited and constrained in its application [08:19:10] and not generalized [08:19:40] ok now I have to see if Skype on the iPhone works over IPv6! [08:19:50] Now presenting http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/79/slides/behave-1.pdf is Dacheng Zhang [08:19:53] slide 1 [08:19:59] because it's the best known example of an IPv4-only application elsewhere [08:20:14] (BIH will not make Skype work.) [08:20:57] 3 [08:21:28] 4 [08:21:55] there's a difference between it not supporting IPv6 at all (current state) and not working (which will be the state during the initial phase of the v4->v6 transition) [08:22:40] 5 [08:23:45] 6 [08:23:54] geir leaves the room [08:24:44] 7 [08:26:12] 8 [08:27:56] slide 21 [08:28:31] slide 9 [08:29:21] 10 [08:30:03] next up: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/79/slides/behave-0.pdf -- Analysis of 64 Translation, Christian Jacquenet [08:30:55] slide 1 [08:31:21] 2 [08:31:21] audio is too hot [08:31:34] adjusting [08:31:57] 3 [08:32:01] audio okay now? [08:32:24] (except the breathing and "P", of course....) [08:33:10] 4 [08:34:01] 5 [08:34:37] 6 [08:35:15] next up, http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/79/slides/behave-5.pdf, by Shin Miyakawa. [08:36:42] weiber joins the room [08:36:57] slide 1 [08:37:09] 2 [08:37:43] 3 [08:38:34] Andrew leaves the room [08:39:48] Atarashi Yoshifumi joins the room [08:39:57] (as individual: coloring the bike shed....) [08:40:31] 4 [08:41:13] call it "ISP NAT" [08:42:41] Iljitsch: what about a University operating a NAT. They are not an Internet Service Provider. What about a large enterprise, such as Boeing (or similar). Requirements are similar for their class of NAT. [08:42:48] slide 5 [08:43:44] dan: in an enterprise or university if I want to run a server I go to the IT people [08:43:57] if my ISP runs a NAT and I want to run a server I have nowhere to go [08:43:58] IT != ISP [08:44:06] that's the critical difference [08:45:30] Andrew joins the room [08:46:37] High availability NAT is a contradiction [08:47:03] slide 6 [08:47:38] 7 [08:48:06] 8 [08:48:32] 9 [08:49:08] 10 [08:49:51] 11 [08:50:27] 12 [08:50:28] weiber leaves the room: offline [08:50:55] 13 [08:50:56] Andrew leaves the room [08:51:19] Pete McCann joins the room [08:51:58] next up, http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/79/slides/behave-9.pdf [08:53:26] Suz leaves the room [08:53:50] starting: Tina Tsou [08:53:56] slide 1 [08:54:08] Atarashi Yoshifumi leaves the room [08:54:30] 2 [08:54:33] 3 [08:55:53] 4 [08:55:58] now speaking: Alain Durand [08:56:11] wow there must be a lot of audio lag then [08:56:28] usually is a lot of audio lag, ~5 seconds. Worse for you? [08:57:08] dunno, but when you said "alain" I was still hearing the previous speaker [08:57:30] 'k. [08:58:36] can someone relay this at the appropriate time: if the mappings are static and obvious, people can have incoming connections. Security is a non-issue because today people have a whole address and nobody worries about that. [09:01:33] slide 5 [09:03:28] Iljitsch, I'll get your comment relayed when Alain is done. [09:03:36] slide 6 [09:03:50] thanks [09:05:44] s7 [09:06:33] (not for relaying:) a simple way to do this would be to have a fixed association between an address and a port block, ie last address byte is high byte of the port number. Then you can just use address assignment logging as usual. [09:07:02] 8 [09:08:10] behcet leaves the room [09:08:33] relayed your comment. [09:08:36] thanks [09:08:43] too bad my audio stopped working just now [09:09:58] audio working again yet? 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