[06:37:12] scott brim joins the room [06:37:54] /title BEHAVE, IETF78 [06:40:45] I don't think there's a way to set the title in Adium [06:50:40] dhankins joins the room [06:51:06] dhankins has set the subject to: BEHAVE, IETF78 [06:54:08] mawatari joins the room [06:57:02] jpc joins the room [06:57:10] Dave Thaler joins the room [06:58:00] behcet.sarikaya joins the room [06:58:01] sandoche2k joins the room [06:59:35] sandoche2k leaves the room [07:02:34] toshio.tachibana joins the room [07:04:20] iljitsch joins the room [07:04:30] Ole Troan joins the room [07:04:40] Suz joins the room [07:04:42] arifumi joins the room [07:04:56] healthyao2000 joins the room [07:05:35] tinnami joins the room [07:06:49] Lars joins the room [07:07:12] shinmiyakawa joins the room [07:07:32] dave: i have *a* version of aki's slides, but i don't know if they are the final ones he wants to show [07:08:55] petithug joins the room [07:09:25] sandoche joins the room [07:09:54] no power in Auditorium 2 ? [07:10:12] do I need to add something to the ftp64 draft regarding the IPR disclosure? [07:10:27] not here at the left, no [07:10:48] (Dan Wing writes: please visit the A/V guy, in the middle of the room, about the lack of electricity.) [07:11:33] (Dan Wing writes: Iljitsch, no, the I-D doesn't need to say anything about the IPR disclosure. That is handled separately in the IETF datatracker.) [07:12:25] larissas joins the room [07:12:41] it would seem to make sense to say "look at the IPR database" somewhere, though. [07:13:41] Atarashi Yoshifumi joins the room [07:13:59] (Dan Wing writes: I believe that is part of the I-D and/or RFC boilerplate already. And RFCs, which have IPR declarations after they are published, do not get retroactively revised to add such text. So, presence or lack of such text in a document does not indicate presence or absence of IPR declaration.) [07:15:59] caozhenpku joins the room [07:16:13] caozhenpku leaves the room [07:16:28] Zhen Cao joins the room [07:16:49] kawashimam joins the room [07:16:50] skudou joins the room [07:16:54] toshio.tachibana leaves the room [07:19:18] nmm joins the room [07:19:22] Am I the only one not receiving the audio from Auditorium 2? [07:21:13] Andrew McGregor joins the room [07:22:11] Andrew joins the room [07:23:10] tomtaylor joins the room [07:23:48] larissas leaves the room [07:24:24] i sent an email to the trouble desk about the non-working power strips [07:25:42] fdupont joins the room [07:26:16] tsavo_work@jabber.org/Meebo joins the room [07:28:01] Hyong-Jong Paik joins the room [07:32:11] simon joins the room [07:32:41] Zhen Cao leaves the room [07:33:08] weihongbo joins the room [07:34:16] hiromi.morita joins the room [07:34:59] Lars leaves the room [07:36:24] Lars joins the room [07:36:25] scott brim leaves the room [07:36:42] sandoche1533 joins the room [07:36:42] sandoche1533 leaves the room [07:36:42] sandoche59316 joins the room [07:36:55] sandoche leaves the room [07:37:14] jhlim joins the room [07:40:45] scott brim joins the room [07:42:30] Seems that in exchange to have people identify themselves on the Wifi network, they no longer have to do it on the microphone... [07:44:23] tore joins the room [07:45:55] scott brim leaves the room [07:48:10] Lars leaves the room [07:48:35] Zhen Tsao joins the room [07:48:55] nmm leaves the room [07:49:51] Lars joins the room [07:53:09] Lars leaves the room [07:54:06] skudou leaves the room [08:01:17] iljitsch leaves the room [08:04:06] Takehito Akagiri joins the room [08:04:33] weihongbo leaves the room: I'm happy Miranda IM user. Get it at http://miranda-im.org/. 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[08:24:05] I do [08:24:41] yes, thanks a lot ! [08:25:39] stainlesskim joins the room [08:26:54] stainlesskim leaves the room [08:27:41] stainlesskim joins the room [08:28:57] Please identify yourself at the mic! [08:29:17] that's Hui Deng, China Mobile [08:29:26] stainlesskim leaves the room [08:29:56] yeah, I know. I just think it's mean to the remote listeners (I'm getting a better understanding because the light is so low in here I'm having a hard time seeing people) [08:30:26] to be fair, he did state his name [08:30:41] oh, did he? Bad me, then. Sorry. [08:30:46] yes [08:31:01] teco.boot joins the room [08:31:39] sandoche joins the room [08:32:00] Lars leaves the room [08:32:03] peter koch joins the room [08:34:26] sandoche leaves the room [08:40:36] sandoche joins the room [08:41:43] tinnami leaves the room [08:42:49] aka joins the room [08:44:18] rhe@wiki.ja.net joins the room [08:44:26] Takehito Akagiri leaves the room [08:45:56] peter koch leaves the room [08:45:57] iljitsch joins the room [08:46:43] I don't think a gateway that has an incoming DNS request over TCP is doing anything wrong if it then performs this request over UDP. [08:46:57] right, that's what I was thinking too [08:47:00] yup [08:47:05] as long as it falls back on TCP [08:47:17] However, in any case it should repeat query's over TCP if the answers are truncated [08:47:38] which shouldn't really happen if it implements EDNS0, though [08:47:50] stainlesskim joins the room [08:48:14] stainlesskim leaves the room [08:49:26] there's plenty of class E space [08:49:43] it all depends on how much space is needed [08:51:18] Sorry to be late on this: it turns out that there are plenty of places where EDNS0 fails in practice [08:51:39] and it's not just because of the gateways (although they're certainly big offenders) [08:51:43] class E space isn't usable reliably for legacy apps [08:52:32] Dave Thaler: but if you're implementing this in an OS it's trivial to fix the OS to not drop class E [08:54:01] it's not trivial to fix apps to not drop class E [08:54:09] if you can fix apps then you don't need this [08:54:22] hmmmm, right [08:55:15] stainlesskim joins the room [08:55:15] dougm.home joins the room [08:55:34] tinnami joins the room [08:56:03] woolf leaves the room [08:56:23] Lars joins the room [08:56:44] Lars leaves the room [08:57:06] stainlesskim leaves the room [09:02:26] sandoche leaves the room [09:02:41] Suz joins the room [09:04:28] I don't think many _apps_ drop class E [09:04:44] and the OS needs to be updated to support BITH anyway [09:05:27] I'm not sure how many addresses this requires but if it's less than a /16 there should be no problem at all to get a block out of normal unicast space from iana [09:05:29] I found that power is gone again. [09:06:15] sandoche joins the room [09:06:52] see that's why you need a well known prefix, avoids spending time and effort to discover it because it's well known [09:09:05] why don't we just have a well-known /64 again? [09:09:38] tsavo_work@jabber.org/Meebo joins the room [09:10:53] One is tempted to note that there was no line without red on the chart [09:11:24] no there was one with only yellow and green [09:11:39] this was with some dns name [09:11:50] oh right, a well-known /64 doesn't solve point 2) [09:12:01] what is point 2? [09:12:16] 2) Finding out how to constuct an IPv6 address ... [09:12:19] (slide changed) [09:12:35] ... that will be routable to/by the NAT64 if ... [09:14:10] pierrick seite joins the room [09:14:13] dhankins leaves the room [09:15:31] stainlesskim joins the room [09:16:04] iljitsch leaves the room [09:17:22] stainlesskim leaves the room [09:19:35] stainlesskim joins the room [09:19:51] pierrick seite leaves the room [09:20:40] niall joins the room [09:20:42] Solving the problem where you're dual-stacked and one of them is DNS64/NAT64 is, IMO, a terrible mistake [09:20:56] The right answer to having that problem is "don't do that" [09:21:09] Andrew: +1 [09:21:24] mawatari leaves the room [09:22:16] Ashida joins the room [09:23:24] Andrew, in multi-homing case that is easy to occur [09:23:44] sandoche leaves the room [09:23:46] I get that it will sometimes happen in multi-homing case [09:23:56] I think I have two responses: [09:24:09] you have the same issue if you have to interfaces, each with its NAT44. no ipv6 involved here. [09:24:10] 1. MIF needs to address this, because we can't here [09:24:20] s/to/two/ [09:24:23] and 2. That's the cost of using a NAT, and sometimes it will suck [09:24:40] :) [09:24:47] yes, we will look at this at mif [09:25:08] peter koch joins the room [09:26:42] But I'm quite serious about that (2). We cannot make NAT64 work perfectly everywhere. It's still a NAT. We can make it as unbad as possible, but it's still going to have some bad bits. The additional complexity required to make the NAT64 neve used, we-guaranteee-it, when it needn't be is too great. [09:27:12] iljitsch joins the room [09:27:56] niall leaves the room [09:28:18] that is true [09:29:00] Atarashi Yoshifumi leaves the room [09:29:55] tinnami leaves the room [09:30:11] simon.perreault leaves the room [09:30:22] rhe@wiki.ja.net leaves the room [09:30:26] shinmiyakawa leaves the room [09:30:35] Suz leaves the room [09:30:38] jpc leaves the room [09:30:38] Andrew McGregor leaves the room [09:30:46] good chairing, finished exactly on time! 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