[00:00:25] toshio.hiraga joins the room [00:01:46] karen.s.seo joins the room [00:02:34] Remote participants: If you want me to relay your comments/questions to the room, please preface your remarks with MIC: Thank you. [00:02:37] nnnshin joins the room [00:02:44] BEHAVE session starting [00:02:53] Agenda bash: Dave Thaler [00:03:22] hirocomb joins the room [00:03:23] arifumi joins the room [00:03:29] re-ordering presentations based on some of the slides being turned in at the last minute and needing to be uploaded [00:03:59] Going to try to finish by 11:20 to accommodate folks leaving [00:04:44] first talk: Learning the IPv6 Prefix.... Dan Wing [00:04:44] Dave Thaler leaves the room [00:04:44] Colman Ho leaves the room [00:04:44] hirocomb leaves the room [00:04:44] arifumi leaves the room [00:04:44] nnnshin leaves the room [00:04:55] slide 2 -- Why Learning Prefix is Necessary [00:06:07] slide 4 -- Mechanisms to Learn [00:07:34] bnsmith joins the room [00:07:40] marka joins the room [00:08:12] Thaler speaking: [00:08:25] About 5 people raised hands re: having read draft [00:08:37] Chris Donley joins the room [00:08:39] DNS option is more complex than DHCPv6 [00:09:27] is the webex cancelled? [00:09:51] Wing says now webex [00:09:58] Sorry, mean "no" webex [00:10:07] Remis Despres [00:10:10] Now Wing: [00:10:33] thanks [00:10:50] Remis: supports this [00:11:14] Remis again: [00:11:22] Thaler is approaching mike: [00:11:31] Colman Ho joins the room [00:11:57] Bob joins the room [00:12:02] Wing: [00:12:06] Thaler: [00:12:31] immelman@jabber.org joins the room [00:13:03] nnnshin joins the room [00:13:07] CHENGANG joins the room [00:13:19] hirocomb joins the room [00:13:24] one more question joining late, which presentation are we on [00:13:31] (Intermediate speaker was Eric Vyncke -- if you were able hear him) [00:13:32] becarpenter joins the room [00:14:01] "Learning the IPv6 Prefix of a Network's IPv6/IPv4 Translator" [00:14:25] arifumi joins the room [00:14:29] More hums for but not enough to declare consenus [00:14:35] Marcelo Bagnulo: [00:14:57] nm joins the room [00:14:59] Marcelo: We need this [00:15:07] Wing: But no one's read it [00:15:30] mawatari joins the room [00:15:36] Brian Carpenter: [00:16:22] Brian: I read the draft but there's no basis for choosing between 2 options [00:16:32] Marcelo: It's more important to have solution [00:16:44] Wing: would prefer one [00:16:58] kawashimam joins the room [00:17:06] Remi: [00:17:26] Remi: Not necessary for server and client to have just one [00:17:41] Maybe the server should have both [00:18:00] Thaler: problem worth solving, but need work on the solution [00:18:14] No disagreement from room [00:18:56] gregdavies joins the room [00:19:27] ashida joins the room [00:20:02] next talk: slides problem [00:20:11] Vincent Levigneron joins the room [00:20:40] "draft-ford-shared-addressing-issues-01" M. Ford [00:20:58] He's presented in SOFTWIRES, etc. [00:21:05] Some people haven't already heard it. [00:22:13] I can't find the slides [00:22:22] slide?: Taxonomy [00:22:34] 1. CGN-based solutions [00:22:41] 2. Port-range solutions [00:23:02] next slide: having slide problems [00:23:35] aha -- just found the slides [00:23:52] slide 4 -- Background [00:24:10] graph showing long tail of subscribers requiring > median number of ports [00:24:29] slide 5 -- Service providers need to balance [00:24:49] slide 6 -- Port negotiation [00:26:08] sorry my slide numbers are off... -- service providers need to balance: [00:26:45] Slide 8 -- Application Layer Gateways [00:27:10] ɹəlɒɥʇ əʌɒp joins the room [00:27:27] Slide 9 -- ICMP [00:27:44] ashida leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [00:27:45] ashida joins the room [00:28:33] slide 10 -- Other issues [00:29:05] gregdavies leaves the room [00:29:23] slide 11 -- Security-related issues [00:30:01] gregdavies joins the room [00:30:03] tachibana@jabber.org joins the room [00:30:08] remis despres: [00:30:13] sorry, wrong name [00:30:20] This is Eric Vyncke [00:30:34] where are the slides? [00:30:45] Wing approaching Mic: [00:31:41] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/76/materials.html [https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/76/materials.html] [00:32:01] This is the "Shared Addressing Issues" talk [00:32:08] Speaker: [00:32:26] Wing: [00:32:48] Hinden: [00:33:09] This would let you attack a whole bunch of hosts [00:33:14] Remis Despres: [00:33:23] Remi, not Remis [00:34:45] slide 12 -- Geo-proximity, geo-location [00:35:24] slide 13 -- Traceability [00:36:51] slide 14 -- Concluding [00:38:12] ah@jabber.org joins the room [00:38:47] next talk:Stateless 1: NIVI and Stateless 1: N double IVI [00:39:20] Speaker: not sure who this is [00:39:56] slide 3: Introduction [00:41:04] slide 4: Stateless 1:1 IVI [00:41:44] slide 5: Stateless 1:N IVI [00:42:52] slide 6: Design concept of stateless 1:N IVI [00:44:46] wmhaddad joins the room [00:45:05] slide 7: Address-mapping algorithm [00:46:05] sunguonian joins the room [00:46:27] wmhaddad leaves the room [00:46:38] slide 8: Extended address format (1) [00:47:39] slide 9: Extended address format (2) [00:47:39] gregdavies leaves the room [00:48:28] gregdavies joins the room [00:48:40] slide 10: The translator behavior [00:49:24] tskj joins the room [00:49:35] slide 11: The IPv6 end system requirements [00:50:39] tskj leaves the room [00:51:10] slide 12: Remarks for stateless 1:N IVI [00:52:28] slide 13: Stateless 1:N double IVI [00:53:56] slide 14: Port number mapping algorithm [00:54:26] slide 15: Home gateway implementation [00:54:45] slide 16: End system implementation [00:55:08] slide 17: Remarks for stateless 1:N dIVI [00:55:39] Bob leaves the room [00:55:58] slide 18: Prototype and testing environment [00:57:01] slide 19: Example 1 (client) [00:57:30] slide 20: Example 2 (server) [00:57:44] slide 21: www.ivi2.org/demo.html [http://www.ivi2.org/demo.html] [00:58:45] slide 22: Reload homepage for H0 and H1 [00:59:01] slide 23: Comparison (1) [00:59:13] slide 24: Comparison (2) [00:59:24] slide 25: Summary (1) [01:00:21] slide 26: Summary (2) [01:00:37] Hajime Tazaki leaves the room [01:01:14] Xi Li [01:01:26] Hajime Tazaki joins the room [01:01:31] Speaker: [01:01:50] Alain Durand: [01:03:35] wing: [01:04:10] The presented approach is lossless unlike PNAT. It's more like a tunnel. [01:04:13] Alain: [01:04:34] This approach seems to be "competitive" with work in Softwires. [01:04:52] Wing: yes it does seem to be similar to A+P [01:05:00] Remi Despres: [01:05:17] Remi: agreed that it's an A+P variant [01:05:36] Wing: [01:06:29] Seemed to be agreement that more analysis/comparison of the various approaches is needed [01:07:41] next talk: Security Implications...? [01:07:56] <ɹəlɒɥʇ əʌɒp> yes Fernando Gont [01:08:05] <ɹəlɒɥʇ əʌɒp> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/09nov/slides/behave-14.pdf [01:08:09] slide: Resilience to Denial of Service attacks [01:08:55] slide: Port reservation [01:09:38] slide 5: P2P communications [01:09:48] <ɹəlɒɥʇ əʌɒp> draft is draft-gont-behave-nat-security [01:09:55] <ɹəlɒɥʇ əʌɒp> draft-gont-behave-nat-security [01:10:23] slide 6: Secure transport for end-hosts [01:11:14] slide 7 -- Implications of protocol header fields [01:11:15] Atarashi Yoshifumi joins the room [01:12:25] slide 8 -- IP identification [01:13:31] slide 9: TCP SEQ number and ACK number [01:15:29] slide 10: TCP timestamps [01:16:49] tachibana@jabber.org leaves the room [01:17:06] slide 11: Moving forward [01:18:37] Thaler: how many have read the draft [01:18:51] very few [01:18:55] need feedback [01:19:58] next talk: An optimal load balancing mechanism for NAT64 (OL-NAT) [01:20:23] slide 2: What's problems we want to resolve [01:21:23] slide 3: How to overcome the problems [01:22:14] slide 4: Anycast Load-balance mechanism [01:22:26] <ɹəlɒɥʇ əʌɒp> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/09nov/slides/behave-9.pdf [01:24:10] Speaker appears to be Gang Chen [01:24:13] slide 5: Mapping Information Synchronization [01:24:18] quigleystravels joins the room [01:25:19] Bob joins the room [01:25:21] hawaiyan joins the room [01:25:58] Akira joins the room [01:26:07] quigleystravels leaves the room [01:26:19] slide 6: Optimal Load-balance Data Flow Description [01:26:58] gregdavies leaves the room [01:27:12] Eric Vyncke [01:27:26] Chris Donley leaves the room [01:27:45] gregdavies joins the room [01:28:09] Speaker: [01:28:31] m-tetsuya joins the room [01:28:44] looking for feedback [01:28:57] very few have read draft [01:29:00] Tom Hain: [01:29:34] Sorry, this is Tony Hain [01:30:23] Brian Carpenter [01:32:13] Hui Deng [01:33:29] next: NAT State Synchronization using SCSP -- Dean Cheng [01:33:36] <ɹəlɒɥʇ əʌɒp> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/09nov/slides/behave-2.ppt [01:33:45] <ɹəlɒɥʇ əʌɒp> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-behave-nat-state-sync [01:34:09] slide 2: SCSP -- A protocol for data cache synchronization [01:35:15] gregdavies leaves the room [01:35:47] slide 3 -- Requirements for NAT Devices Deployed with Redundancy [01:36:20] gregdavies joins the room [01:37:07] slide 4 -- Use SCSP to Sync NAT Database [01:38:50] gregdavies leaves the room [01:39:19] gregdavies joins the room [01:40:27] slide 5 -- NAT State Refreshment Mechanism [01:40:50] slide 6 -- SCSP Message Mandatory Common Part [01:42:14] slide 7 -- Values for the SCSP "Mandatory Common Part" [01:42:36] Slide 8 -- Values for the SCSP "CSAS Record" [01:43:51] slide 9 -- NAT Specific CSA [01:46:31] slide 10 -- The Next... [01:47:03] Shin Miyakawa: [01:47:26] Switched to slide 5: NAT State Refreshment Mechanism [01:47:57] Shin: why the limit in the first bullet [01:48:13] Dean replying: [01:48:33] Now Shin: [01:48:54] Thaler: [01:49:20] Now Shin: [01:49:42] All: Maybe different primary NAT for different port ranges... [01:50:10] Brian Carpenter: [01:50:21] What is the implementation experience with SCSP? [01:50:32] Thaler: take this to the list [01:50:32] gregdavies leaves the room [01:50:39] not many have read this [01:50:50] gregdavies joins the room [01:50:57] Next: NAT444 Network Model -- Shin Miyakawa [01:52:05] slide: Proposal of the Structure overview [01:52:25] ah@jabber.org leaves the room [01:53:02] <ɹəlɒɥʇ əʌɒp> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/09nov/slides/behave-16.pdf [01:53:10] slide 4: Proposal of the structure (cont') [01:54:05] slide 5: Proposal of the structure (cont') [01:55:32] slide 6: NAT444 Model [01:56:07] slide 7: Analysis of NAT444 [01:56:41] slide 8: At the end [01:58:58] Mat Ford: [02:00:46] Thaler: we'll follow up [02:01:33] next talk: Stig Venaas [02:01:34] <ɹəlɒɥʇ əʌɒp> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/09nov/slides/behave-8.pdf [02:01:44] "Framework for IPv4/IPv6 Multicast Translation [02:01:58] slide 2: Changes since 00 [02:02:23] hawaiyan leaves the room [02:02:36] slide 3: SDP example [02:02:46] Vincent Levigneron leaves the room [02:03:21] slide 4: SDP files and DNS [02:04:38] Bob Hinden: [02:06:02] Speaker is replying: [02:06:06] Thaler: [02:06:47] toshio.hiraga leaves the room [02:06:56] Wing: [02:07:09] Few have read the draft [02:07:22] More are interested (maybe 6-7) in multicast translation [02:07:47] next talk: Charlie Perkins [02:08:14] <ɹəlɒɥʇ əʌɒp> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/09nov/slides/behave-15.pdf [02:08:23] <ɹəlɒɥʇ əʌɒp> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-perkins-behave-dpinat-00 [02:08:33] "SIPNAT (source_IP NAT) [02:08:53] slide 2: Business pitfalls of moving to IPv6 today [02:09:09] slide 3: Bidirectional NAT v4 <-> v6 (uses DNS) [02:09:27] slide 4: Operation of system [02:11:39] slide 5: Unassisted mode failure: one source <-> two dests [02:12:13] slide 6: Unassisted mode: failure scenario B [02:14:11] slide 7: Is it really like flow management? [02:14:31] slide 8: Payload assist for higher scalability/robustness [02:16:16] slide 9: Pattern Matching techniques [02:17:06] slide 10: Recent analytical results [02:17:54] nm leaves the room [02:18:22] slide 11: Conclusions [02:19:29] next talk: Dan Wing [02:19:37] "Relaying HTTP from IPv4 to IPv6 [02:19:54] <ɹəlɒɥʇ əʌɒp> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wing-behave-http-46-relay [02:20:01] <ɹəlɒɥʇ əʌɒp> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/09nov/slides/behave-0.ppt [02:20:17] slide 2: HTTP 4/6 Relay [02:21:00] slide 3: Mechanism 1: HTTP Relayu [02:21:38] slide 4: Mechanism 2: HTTP Redirect [02:22:03] slide 5: Making it Pretty [02:22:52] slide 6: Questions [02:23:14] Richard Barnes [02:24:07] kawashimam leaves the room [02:24:07] Bob leaves the room [02:24:18] The session ends... 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