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[16:03:43] <Eadson.zhangdong> no audio?
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[16:06:00] <Dave Thaler> are you getting any audio?
[16:06:19] <pee000> no
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[16:06:34] <alfredh> audio works now 
[16:07:32] <Eadson.zhangdong> audio is ok now
[16:07:36] <Dave Thaler> ok
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[16:08:56] <remote> is audio archived after the session? and if so, where can I find it?
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[16:10:50] <pee000> it usually gets archived, should be linked off he main page
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[16:13:00] <Dave Thaler> They'll eventually be at ftp://videolab.uoregon.edu/pub/videolab/media/ietf74/
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[16:13:20] <Dave Thaler> the sessions from previous IETFs are there but they do it after the end of the week I think
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[16:17:23] <Dave Thaler> slides are at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/09mar/slides/behave-18.pdf
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[16:17:56] <Dave Thaler> currently on slide 4
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[16:27:33] <alfredh> any keep-alive for TURN-TCP should probably be similar to TURN for UDP
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[16:32:27] <Dave Thaler> next preso http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/09mar/slides/behave-17.pdf
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[16:32:54] <Dave Thaler> 9:30 TURN TCP variant (Marc Petit-Huguenin, 15) draft-petithuguenin-turn-tcp-variant-01 <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-petithuguenin-turn-tcp-variant> 

[16:33:15] <Dave Thaler> slide 3
[16:33:24] <Dave Thaler> slide 4
[16:33:45] <Dave Thaler> slide 5
[16:34:01] <Dave Thaler> slide 6
[16:34:22] <Dave Thaler> slide 7
[16:34:51] <Dave Thaler> slide 8
[16:35:01] <Dave Thaler> slide 9
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[16:36:51] <Dave Thaler> slide 11
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[16:43:25] <Dave Thaler> next
[16:43:26] <Dave Thaler> 9:45 TURN (Philip Matthews, 10) draft-ietf-behave-turn-13 <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-behave-turn> 

[16:43:35] <Dave Thaler> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/09mar/slides/behave-11.pdf
[16:44:01] <Dave Thaler> slide 2
[16:44:32] <Dave Thaler> slide 3
[16:46:15] <Dave Thaler> slide 4
[16:47:40] <Dave Thaler> slide 5
[16:48:35] <Dave Thaler> next is
[16:48:35] <Dave Thaler> 9:55 Common Functions of Large Scale NAT (LSN) (Akira Nakagawa, 10) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nishitani-cgn-01 <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nishitani-cgn> 

[16:48:44] <Dave Thaler> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/09mar/slides/behave-16.pdf
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[16:49:25] <Dave Thaler> slide 2
[16:49:45] <Dave Thaler> (and notice the slide numbers in the bottom right corner are IPv6 addresses...)
[16:49:52] <Dave Thaler> slide 3
[16:50:18] <Dave Thaler> slide 4
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[16:52:17] <Dave Thaler> slide 6
[16:52:18] <becarpenter> (Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at [2001:268::5].)
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[16:54:23] <Wes Beebee> Also limiting ports has implications for security: port guessing (but this has already been discussed)...
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[17:06:09] <Dave Thaler> next preso
[17:06:10] <Dave Thaler> 10:05 Subscriber-aware NAT44 (David Miles, 15) draft-miles-behave-l2nat-00 <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-miles-behave-l2nat> 

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[17:08:13] <Dave Thaler> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/09mar/slides/behave-15.pdf
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[17:28:40] <Dave Thaler> 10:20 Diameter NAT Control Application (Wojciech Dec, 15) draft-brockners-diameter-nat-control-00 <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-diameter-nat-control> 

[17:28:56] <Dave Thaler> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/09mar/slides/behave-3.pdf
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[18:03:41] <Dave Thaler> jabber seems to be back up now
[18:03:50] <Dave Thaler> we're almost 15 mins behind now
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[18:11:49] <Dave Thaler> ping
[18:11:51] <Dave Thaler> 11:00 Source IP NAT (Charles Perkins, 15) draft-perkins-sourceipnat-00 <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-perkins-sourceipnat> 

[18:11:59] <Dave Thaler> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/09mar/slides/behave-12.pdf
[18:13:12] <Dave Thaler> slide 3
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[18:33:38] <iljitsch> hang on... are people talking about HTTP in combination with this proposal???
[18:33:52] <Dave Thaler> no
[18:33:57] <Dave Thaler> not explicitly anyway
[18:34:04] <Dave Thaler> TCP (or UDP)
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[18:34:34] <Dave Thaler> http is an _example_ of something that's TCP of course, so web server is just an example
[18:34:49] <iljitsch> HTTP has in-band disambiguation of the destination so you can put very large numbers of HTTP destinations on one address
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[18:35:18] <Dave Thaler> true
[18:35:22] <iljitsch> so there is no reason to use a mechanism like this with HTTP
[18:35:34] <Dave Thaler> disagree
[18:35:42] <iljitsch> why?
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[18:35:54] <Dave Thaler> to do that with HTTP you need to put an HTTP proxy in front of your HTTP servers.  
[18:36:04] <Dave Thaler> this is addressing a bunch of HTTP servers
[18:36:14] <iljitsch> right
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[18:36:21] <iljitsch> annyoing but works very well
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[18:36:47] <Dave Thaler> so "you have to put in a proxy for HTTP and any other protocol you care about" vs "you put in a box that handles any TCP/UDP"
[18:37:19] <iljitsch> right but with the former it's reliable, with the latter not so much
[18:37:22] <Dave Thaler> the argument in my mind is just what the failure cases are and how bad they fail
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[18:39:22] <Dave Thaler> last one
[18:39:22] <Dave Thaler> multicast v4/v6 translation (Stig Venaas, 15) draft-venaas-behave-mcast46-00 <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-venaas-behave-mcast46> 

[18:39:29] <Dave Thaler> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/09mar/slides/behave-2.pdf
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[18:45:35] <karen.s.seo> thank you dthaler!
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