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[18:27:26] <mls> Hi, can someone at least say at which point of the agenda we are?
[18:28:13] <mls> thanks in advance
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[18:32:47] <Dan York> bruce will do it when he sits down
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[18:33:09] <mls> thanks
[18:33:14] <Dan York> I'll try to provide some points as well, but I'm also now note-taker
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[18:33:35] <magnus> Behavior discovery
[18:33:57] <Dan York> Currently on draft-ietf-behave-nat-behavior-discovery-02 as neither Jonathan or Rohan were in the room
[18:33:59] <magnus> Criteria for sucess of experiment discussion slide 5
[18:34:06] <Dan York> thanks, magnus
[18:34:12] <mls> thanks
[18:34:27] <Dan York> *returns to regular note taking*
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[18:36:08] <magnus> Discussion if we really should talk about P2P as an experiment in this WG.
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[18:37:35] <magnus> Document needs a minimal update and then is expected to be WG LC.
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[18:37:56] <magnus> TURN (Jonathan Rosenberg)
[18:40:46] <Dan York> slides at: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/slides/behave-1.ppt
[18:41:02] <magnus> Moved opening TCP connections to a separate document.
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[18:41:52] <magnus> Major change is the added channel header.
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[18:46:32] <Dan York> (ekr and rohan argue at the mic)
[18:46:43] <Dan York> (ekr and magnus argue at the mic)
[18:47:26] <Dan York> discussion is around demuxing and STUN versus TURN
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[18:47:31] <lowekamp@gmail.com> I can take up scribing now if you want to take notes, Dan.
[18:47:36] <Dan York> okay
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[18:47:47] <Dan York> magnus was scribing but he is now involved in this discussion
[18:47:59] <lowekamp@gmail.com> Philip at mic and ekr from floor
[18:48:22] <lowekamp@gmail.com> Derek MacDonald
[18:48:38] <lowekamp@gmail.com> Magnus
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[18:51:03] <lowekamp@gmail.com> Cullen
[18:53:26] <sureshk> i am in another meeting
[18:53:33] <alfredh> no audio..
[18:53:43] <sureshk> can you let me know if the FCON is about to be presented
[18:53:50] <sureshk> Thanks in advace
[18:54:15] <lowekamp@gmail.com> we're nowhere near there yet...
[18:54:25] <lowekamp@gmail.com> no audio, or are the speakers just not using the mics?
[18:54:36] <alfredh> shoutcast server is down
[18:54:58] <lowekamp@gmail.com> ok, jdr on "Channel Allocation" slide
[18:55:10] <lowekamp@gmail.com> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-behave-turn-05.txt
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[18:56:37] <lowekamp@gmail.com> reported
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[18:57:11] <Dan York> FYI, emailed noc@ietf70.org <mailto:noc@ietf70.org> that there is a problem with audio
[18:57:51] <lowekamp@gmail.com> hmmm. I emailed mtd@ietf <mailto:mtd@ietf>. Guess we're covering all bases
[18:57:54] <lowekamp@gmail.com> Rohan at the mic
[18:58:15] <lowekamp@gmail.com> ekr
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[19:08:51] <lowekamp@gmail.com> "Other Models Considered" slide
[19:23:01] <sureshk> are we still on the turn presentation
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[19:23:40] <lowekamp@gmail.com> yes, I'll let you know when it appears we will get to the FCPAN talk (which I assume will be after sctp/
[19:23:45] <sureshk> thx
[19:23:52] <stpeter> sound gone?
[19:23:54] <lowekamp@gmail.com> we still have turn and turn-tcp
[19:23:58] <sureshk> ok
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[19:27:39] <lowekamp@gmail.com> "Changes Contd"
[19:30:06] <lowekamp@gmail.com> "Changes Cont'd"
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[19:34:59] <lowekamp@gmail.com> sorry, we're on another "Changes Cont'd" slide
[19:35:07] <lowekamp@gmail.com> now on "Open Issue #1"
[19:45:07] <lowekamp@gmail.com> now switching to "NAT and SCTP"
[19:45:36] <lowekamp@gmail.com> AFAIK, FCPAN should be 10 minutes from now
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[19:46:26] <lowekamp@gmail.com> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/slides/behave-5.pdf
[19:46:35] <lowekamp@gmail.com> slide: "Single Point Traversal'
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[19:48:04] <lowekamp@gmail.com> "General Considerations"
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[19:49:46] <lowekamp@gmail.com> "SCTP Specific Variant of NAT"
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[19:50:57] <lowekamp@gmail.com> next slide, "Handling local..."
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[19:58:30] <lowekamp@gmail.com> we're now looking at the "multi point traversal" slide as example motivation again
[19:59:28] <lowekamp@gmail.com> back to "handling local..."
[20:01:07] <lowekamp@gmail.com> slide: Question
[20:02:33] <lowekamp@gmail.com> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/slides/behave-4.ppt
[20:02:51] <lowekamp@gmail.com> no, we're doing dccp
[20:03:02] <lowekamp@gmail.com> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/slides/behave-3.pdf
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[20:05:18] <lowekamp@gmail.com> slide: "solution 2"
[20:06:01] <lowekamp@gmail.com> next slide
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[20:07:10] <lowekamp@gmail.com> http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07dec/slides/behave-4.ppt
[20:07:24] <lowekamp@gmail.com> now Firewall Control
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[20:07:44] <lowekamp@gmail.com> a line of people to discuss the DCCP presentation we just finished
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[20:11:08] <stpeter> I can disable that person's account :)
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