[12:38:53] Barbara Stark has set the subject to: IETF babel WG at IETF 108
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[12:46:18] <dee3@hot-chilli.net> Hi Barbara, I thought the room was supposed to open 15 minutes early…
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[12:49:04] <dee3@hot-chilli.net> Hi meetecho, I thought the room was supposed to open early?
[12:49:44] <Meetecho> dee3@hot-chilli.net: apologies for the confusion, rooms open 5 minutes before for everyone
[12:50:18] <dee3@hot-chilli.net> OK. (Earlier announcement said 15 min…)
[12:52:08] <Meetecho> Yep, apologies for that!
[12:54:08] <dee3@hot-chilli.net> Screen now says "this session is over"
[12:54:20] <Meetecho> Reloading the page will fix that
[12:54:47] <dee3@hot-chilli.net> Ahh, OK.
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[12:59:31] <Barbara Stark_852> Is there audio?
[12:59:39] <Toke Høiland-Jørgensen> Hello everyone :)
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[12:59:54] <Toke Høiland-Jørgensen> I hear typing and Donald speaking :)
[12:59:55] <Barbara Stark_852> Hi Toke
[12:59:56] <Antonin Décimo> Hello everyone !
[12:59:57] <Moritz Warning> ohai
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[13:01:01] <Gabriel Kerneis> I'll try and take notes
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[13:01:11] <Gabriel Kerneis> but I'd appreciate help in case I&nbsp;missing something
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[13:01:24] <Barbara Stark_852> Great. I'll try, too. Different tool -- codimd
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[13:01:25] <jch> Théophile and myself appear unable to login.
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[13:01:37] <Barbara Stark_852> Hmm.
[13:01:39] <jch> Donald, please check your mail.
[13:02:01] <Gabriel Kerneis> https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-108-babel
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[13:02:51] <Gabriel Kerneis> jch: I&nbsp;had to login in https://datatracker.ietf.org/ and then there's a SSO implementation
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[13:05:30] <dee3@hot-chilli.net> Hi if you can't login to the Meetecho session, the problem may be that you need a Datatracker account. Go to datatracker.ietf.org.
[13:06:14] <Juliusz Chroboczek> Théo is telling me that datatracker tells him that a manual intervention is needed.
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[13:11:12] <dschinazi@jab.im> The IESG changes every year in March
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[13:11:42] <dschinazi@jab.im> And when a document is in the middle of IESG review, the votes from the IESG members that leave are removed
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[13:16:20] <Barbara Stark_553> I'm finally on
[13:16:53] <Gabriel Kerneis> was it David or Martin speaking last?
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[13:17:18] <dschinazi@jab.im> It was me (David)
[13:17:28] <Gabriel Kerneis> thanks
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[13:18:19] <Antonin Décimo> Thanks ! :)
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[13:25:27] <tbastian> Hi everyone. The datatracker people authorized my account creation, but I fear the account creation mail is being greylisted. I emailed my sysadmin about that.
[13:26:06] <dschinazi@jab.im> Do you have another email address you could use?
[13:26:23] <tbastian> Not bound to an IETF108 registration
[13:26:27] <dschinazi@jab.im> Ah...
[13:26:48] <tbastian> and it would probably take more time to go back through the whitelisting process than wait for the greylist to be over.
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[13:29:04] <Juliusz Chroboczek> Théophile, I'll be glad to present in your stead if it's needed.  Of course, it's more fun if you do.
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[13:29:19] <Zheng Zhang> If necessary, you can ask for IETF register to change the email address
[13:29:45] <Juliusz Chroboczek> Let's do nothing :-)
[13:30:11] <tbastian> Juliusz, thanks for the offer, and please do if I can't find a way to join in due time
[13:31:35] <Barbara Stark_553> BTW, the problem I had joining was my corporate firewall. I had to get off my corporate VPN and then everything worked.
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[13:31:38] <Juliusz Chroboczek> Théo, I'm going ahead.
[13:31:41] <Juliusz Chroboczek> Ok?
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[13:32:07] <Gabriel Kerneis> yes, it's written on the slides
[13:32:11] <tbastian> Fine, and thank you.
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[13:39:17] <Theophile Bastian> Finally been able to join.
[13:40:22] <Theophile Bastian> Please continue, it would probably be weird taking over in mid-talk
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[13:42:54] <dschinazi@jab.im> Juliusz, can you describe what backwards compatibility issues can arise with the Toke encoding?
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[13:50:27] <Ronald in 't Velt> Never liked order-interdependence of TLVs
[13:50:52] <Gabriel Kerneis> I didn't get Margaret's second point, if someone would like to update the notes
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[13:50:58] <Gabriel Kerneis> https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-108-babel?edit
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[13:52:03] <Juliusz Chroboczek> Margaret: in a network where some routers route IPv4 but don't have IPv4 addresses, there might be iCMP packets that a router is unable to send.  This might or might not be a problem, but it's worth mentioning.
[13:52:16] <Juliusz Chroboczek> Gabriel, okay?
[13:52:25] <Gabriel Kerneis> thanks
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[13:53:51] <Gabriel Kerneis> just for fun, I&nbsp;wanted to ask about v6-via-v4 but we're out of time :-)
[13:54:08] <dschinazi@jab.im> Ask here?
[13:54:31] <Toke Høiland-Jørgensen> Gabriel: Off the top of my head - I don't think there are any Babel implementations that actually use v4 for control traffic
[13:54:47] <Gabriel Kerneis> Yeah, that's why I&nbsp;said "just for fun"
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[13:54:51] <Toke Høiland-Jørgensen> ;)
[13:54:54] <Gabriel Kerneis> I remember we discussed it in the past
[13:55:25] <Gabriel Kerneis> even for standardisation I&nbsp;think, and decided against it because it was not used at all
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[13:56:48] <dschinazi@jab.im> Great to hear from everyone!
[13:56:49] <Toke Høiland-Jørgensen> thanks everyone! :)
[13:56:50] <Gabriel Kerneis> Thanks Barbara!
[13:56:52] <Juliusz Chroboczek> Thanks Gabriel.
[13:57:06] <Antonin Décimo> goodbye !
[13:57:07] <Theophile Bastian> Thanks everyone, and thanks Juliusz for the presentation
[13:57:12] <Juliusz Chroboczek> Anyone in Paris?  Antonin is suggesting we go for a drink.
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