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[18:38:41] <dave.taht> yea, maybe I am in the right room
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[18:48:00] <dave.taht> is there anybody out there....
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[18:48:49] <John Dowdell> I'm here. I assume this is babel bof
[18:49:13] <dave.taht> hope so. Otherwise we're here to confuse each other by speaking in different languages.
[18:49:29] <John Dowdell> ha ha
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[18:51:36] <dave.taht> meetech has come a long way
[18:51:51] <dave.taht> audio quality is far, far, far less than the best.
[18:52:04] <dave.taht> jabber is up
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[18:54:40] <dave.taht> no video
[18:54:44] <Markus Stenberg> wonder why no video, it was fine in previous session (same room)
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[18:55:01] <dave.taht> hi markus!
[18:55:18] <dave.taht> yea, some video
[18:55:31] <Markus Stenberg> ah, now it showed up, yay ;)
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[18:55:34] <dave.taht> even more video!
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[18:56:43] <dave.taht> go juliusz chromocheck!
[18:56:47] <jch> ty
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[18:57:28] <dave.taht> hi david!
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[19:02:08] <dave.taht> sounds good here.
[19:02:18] <akatlas> can you all hear?
[19:02:26] <Raveendra Torvi> yes
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[19:03:00] <Gabriel Kerneis> we hear the presenter well.
[19:03:19] <Gabriel Kerneis> but the slides are blocked on "this bof is not a barfight" for me
[19:03:28] <dave.taht> got slides here
[19:04:03] <John Dowdell> Good slides here too. they might catch up or you might have to rejoin.
[19:04:12] <Gabriel Kerneis> brb
[19:04:35] <Gabriel Kerneis> ok, reloading the page did it
[19:05:38] <dave.taht> heh. try injecting a bgp database....
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[19:12:40] <Margaret Cullen> I will be relaying any questions from the jabber room to the mic.  So, if you have a question or comment you want read in the room, please let me know.
[19:12:58] <Margaret Cullen> Also, please let me know if you have any problems we need to solve for you from this end.
[19:13:32] <dave.taht> to me of course, the real problem with the mesh tests I've seen.... is massive, horriffic bufferbloat.
[19:13:47] <Margaret Cullen> Dave, do you want that said at the mic?
[19:14:04] <dave.taht> no, toke and juliusz have the data.
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[19:15:22] <dave.taht> I could put up a link to that. But I do hope that once we fix bufferbloat, we could use stable short RTT metrics.
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[19:25:43] <dave.taht> tell him to get the code!
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[19:25:51] <dave.taht> and plug it into two comcast routers
[19:26:31] <dave.taht> (not asking ya to say that, just kibitzing)
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[19:28:36] <Margaret Cullen> Kibitz away, Dave.  If you want me to say something, just make it explicit.
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[19:31:44] <mcr2> "all sorts of crazy stuff"  -- I want that on a T-shirt.
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[19:41:11] <Gabriel B. Kerneis> one question
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[19:41:24] <Gabriel B. Kerneis> ok too late
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[19:42:31] <Ross Callon_4065> I could hear and see the presenter, but couldn't see the slides. I logged off and logged back on, and then I only saw the slides. I tried a third time and now have nothing (no sound, no slides). Is the session still going on?
[19:42:52] <Mikael Abrahamsson> ross, yes, I have all three working properly.
[19:42:52] <Gabriel B. Kerneis> it is, Ross
[19:43:25] <Gabriel B. Kerneis> I've had trouble with Chrome, in case that is what you use you may try Firefox
[19:43:29] <Gabriel B. Kerneis> ymmv
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[19:44:24] <Ross Callon> Fifth time worked fine!
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[19:49:53] <dave.taht> wmt: long time no see.
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[19:59:54] <mcr2> Ross, you can switch between slides and presenter by clicking on the presenter image.  When presenter is zoomed, you can't see slides, but converse is not true.
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[20:08:28] <mcr2> to the chairs: RFC https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc7416/ may provide useful nomenclature for some of the attacks.
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[20:15:11] <Gabriel B. Kerneis> question: my main concern is about manageability and yang. beyond the fact that "every WG hates to do that part of the job", I fear that nobody would do it properly in babel because nobody in the current userbase has the need or experience required.
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[20:16:01] <mcr2> Garbiel, I think you are right.  So the mangeability has to be done by someone who actually wants to manage.
[20:16:34] <dave.taht> question: while I am ok with the basic chartering... I too would like zeroconf-ish and L2 issues explored - babel over 802.11, 6LOWPAN, 802.14, Moca, ethernet over powerline, and yea... ethernet... and a bit more interaction with the IEEE at layer 2.
[20:17:15] <Gabriel B. Kerneis> Margaret, will you relay those questions?
[20:17:59] <Dave Taht> hummmmm
[20:18:02] <Gabriel B. Kerneis> hummmmm
[20:18:16] <Dave Taht> hummmmm
[20:18:18] <Markus Stenberg> hummmmm
[20:18:19] <Gabriel B. Kerneis> hummmmm
[20:18:23] <Matthieu Boutier> hummmmm
[20:18:32] <Dave Taht> hummmmm
[20:18:36] <Michael Richardson> hummmmm
[20:18:37] <Gabriel B. Kerneis> hummmmm
[20:18:37] <Michael Richardson> hummmmm
[20:18:37] <Edmundo Cazarez> hummmmm
[20:18:38] <Edmundo Cazarez> hummmmm
[20:18:38] <Edmundo Cazarez> hummmmm
[20:18:39] <Edmundo Cazarez> hummmmm
[20:18:58] <Fabien de Montgolfier> hummmmm
[20:19:17] <Markus Stenberg> sadly hums don't carry well to meetecho ;)
[20:19:43] <mcr2> +5 on TR-69.
[20:19:50] <Edmundo Cazarez> should produce a "humming" sound at the room
[20:19:55] <Edmundo Cazarez> :D
[20:19:55] <Dave Taht> thanks barbara!
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[20:26:04] <Dave Taht> yea! Beer!
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[21:08:13] <jch> Dave, thanks for you mail :-)
[21:08:54] <jch> If anyone wants to keep chatting, I remind you there's a #babel channel on Freenode.
[21:19:16] <jch> Oh, by the way, Margaret, I didn't get a chance to say hello.
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[21:44:22] <dave.taht> jch: did you go to the ipwan thing (same room you were in)
[21:47:54] <jch> Yeah, just left.
[21:48:40] <jch> Bye!
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