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[08:41:08] <Ulrich Herberg> welcome Hajime :-)
[08:41:19] <Hajime Tazaki> Hi Ulrich
[08:41:35] <Ulrich Herberg> good to see that you can follow autoconf on jabber :-)
[08:42:17] <Hajime Tazaki> very sad that I can't join Hiroshima...
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[08:45:44] <Ulrich Herberg> I will be the scribe for this session
[08:45:53] <Ulrich Herberg> sato-san is minute taker
[08:46:06] <Ulrich Herberg> satoh-san
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[08:46:41] <Ulrich Herberg> mark townsley is also minute taker
[08:46:47] <Ulrich Herberg> slide: Agenda
[08:47:37] <Ulrich Herberg> other agenda items to discuss?
[08:47:51] <Ulrich Herberg> slide: WG Status Update (I)
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[08:48:20] <Ulrich Herberg> does everyone have audio?
[08:49:20] <Ulrich Herberg> slide: WG Status Update ( II )
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[08:50:33] <Ulrich Herberg> slide: WG Status Update ( III )
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[08:51:57] <Ulrich Herberg> mic: Thomas Clausen
[08:53:44] <Ulrich Herberg> presentation of DT document by Emmanuel Baccelli
[08:54:39] <Ulrich Herberg> slide 3
[08:55:06] <Ulrich Herberg> "IP Subnet COnfiguration"
[08:55:23] <Ulrich Herberg> mic: Fred Templin
[08:55:53] <Ulrich Herberg> slide 5
[08:56:08] <Ulrich Herberg> slide 6
[08:56:20] <Ulrich Herberg> slide 7
[08:56:33] <Ulrich Herberg> mic: Dave Thaler
[08:57:50] <Ulrich Herberg> (referencing RFC 4291)
[08:58:07] <Ulrich Herberg> "IP Version 6 Addressing Architecture"
[08:59:17] <Ulrich Herberg> slide 8
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[09:00:13] <Dave Thaler> the text in the draft on link-locals is good btw
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[09:00:34] <Ulrich Herberg> shall I read that out, Dave? ;-)
[09:00:45] <Ulrich Herberg> mic: Teco Boot
[09:00:52] <Dave Thaler> if you like, it's not worth saying at the mic :)
[09:00:57] <Ulrich Herberg> ok :-)
[09:02:15] <Ulrich Herberg> mic: Teco again
[09:04:01] <Ulrich Herberg> mic: Dave Thaler
[09:04:52] <Ulrich Herberg> referencing RFC 4861
[09:04:58] <Ulrich Herberg>  / RFC 4862
[09:06:07] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Teco Boot
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[09:06:55] <Ulrich Herberg> citing RFC 4861, section 5.4
[09:07:00] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Dave Thaler
[09:07:17] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Teco Boot
[09:09:13] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Thomas Clausen
[09:09:59] <Dave Thaler> and I was quoting RFC 4861 section 1 second paragraph
[09:10:16] <Dave Thaler> (text same in 2461)
[09:10:26] <Dave Thaler> almost
[09:10:56] <Dave Thaler> 4861 adds... The details of how one uses ND on NBMA links are addressed in [IPv6-NBMA].
[09:11:04] <Dave Thaler> but a manet interface doesn't have to quite be "NBMA"
[09:11:32] <Dave Thaler> it's a Semi-Broadcast Multi-Access (SBMA), which we sort of coined in stockholm
[09:13:00] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Dave Thaler
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[09:13:34] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Fred Templin
[09:14:12] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Thomas Clausen
[09:14:30] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Teco Boot
[09:16:35] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Thomas CLausen
[09:16:59] <Ulrich Herberg> (is too tall to reach the RFID reader)
[09:17:38] <Ulrich Herberg> Emmanuel Baccelli
[09:18:15] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Mark Townsley
[09:18:34] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Teco Boot
[09:18:46] <Ulrich Herberg> mic T. Clausen
[09:22:04] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Teco Boot
[09:22:46] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Charles Perkins
[09:23:17] <Ulrich Herberg> mic M. Townsley
[09:26:57] <Ulrich Herberg> E Baccelli
[09:27:01] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Thomas Clausen
[09:30:15] <Ulrich Herberg> Mark, sorry, I missed that last arguments.. could you write them down?
[09:30:35] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Jari Arkko
[09:31:28] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Ronald in't Velt
[09:31:56] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Jari
[09:32:24] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Ronald
[09:33:39] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Dave Thaler
[09:34:38] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Thomas Clausen
[09:35:33] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Teco Boot
[09:36:26] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Mark Townsley
[09:37:20] <Ulrich Herberg> Dave mentions MLD as another protocol
[09:37:53] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Thomas Clausen
[09:38:40] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Fred Templin
[09:38:50] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Ronald
[09:39:03] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Dave Thaler
[09:39:27] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Charles Perkins
[09:40:13] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Ryuji Wakikawa
[09:40:58] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Carlos Bernardos
[09:42:52] <Ulrich Herberg> mic T. Clausen
[09:43:06] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Dave Thaler
[09:44:03] <Ulrich Herberg> rfc 4903
[09:44:13] <Ulrich Herberg> Emmanuel continues slide 10
[09:44:36] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Teco Boot
[09:45:03] <Dave Thaler> 4903 was not explicitly trying to enumerate everything that requires a link-local address, but it turns out to pretty much be the same list for various reasons, so is at least 95% of the way there
[09:45:32] <Ulrich Herberg> mic T. Clausen
[09:48:15] <Ulrich Herberg> open issue: "Global Uniqueness Requirements -  it remains to be determined whether
      or not the scope of AUTOCONF includes applications other than
      routing protocols running on the router, which may communicate
      with outside the routing domain and which for that, require
      globally unique addresses."
[09:48:24] <Ulrich Herberg> (from the DT draft)
[09:48:44] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Mark Townsley
[09:49:23] <Ulrich Herberg> Teco asked: will it be included?
[09:49:51] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Jari Arkko
[09:51:05] <Ulrich Herberg> mic T. Clausen
[09:52:11] <Ulrich Herberg> next presentation by Ronald
[09:52:27] <Ulrich Herberg> presentation of the Bernardos-address model
[09:52:46] <Ulrich Herberg> slide Motivation and scope ( I )
[09:53:26] <Ulrich Herberg> Ryuji will download the latest version of the slide
[09:53:39] <Ulrich Herberg> mic T. Clausen
[09:55:00] <Ulrich Herberg> Vote "hum" was supporting the suggested modifications of the DT draft
[09:55:34] <Ulrich Herberg> slide Motivation and scope ( II )
[09:57:39] <Ulrich Herberg> slide Terminology
[09:57:49] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Fred Templin
[09:59:02] <Ulrich Herberg> slide IPv4/IPv6 addressing model ( I )
[09:59:44] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Charles Perkins
[10:01:47] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Thomas Clausen
[10:02:40] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Teco Boot
[10:05:31] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Fred Templin
[10:06:15] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Dave Thaler
[10:07:35] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Teco Boot
[10:08:09] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Ryuju
[10:08:18] <Ulrich Herberg> mic EMmanuel Baccelli
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[10:09:52] <Ulrich Herberg> slide IPv4/IPv6 addressing model ( II )
[10:12:15] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Mark Townsley
[10:15:03] <Ulrich Herberg> slide Proposed next steps
[10:15:31] <Ulrich Herberg> slide Specifically
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[10:19:13] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Charles Perkins
[10:19:21] <Ulrich Herberg> ... on his way...
[10:19:35] <Ulrich Herberg> ah sorry, Charlie will present now
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[10:20:18] <Ulrich Herberg> about draft-baccelli-multi-hop-communication-03
[10:23:25] <Ulrich Herberg> slide "Asymmetry, Time-Variation, and Non-Transitivity"
[10:25:37] <Ulrich Herberg> slide "Hidden Terminals"
[10:26:31] <Ulrich Herberg> slide "Exposed Terminals"
[10:28:15] <Ulrich Herberg> slide MAC layer support
[10:28:39] <Ulrich Herberg> mic Ronald
[10:31:41] <Ulrich Herberg> slide Time Variations
[10:32:20] <Ulrich Herberg> slide Conclusions
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[10:38:52] <Ulrich Herberg> meeting is closed
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