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[11:02:30] <Jaime Jimenez> codimd link?
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[11:03:04] <mcr> https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-108-asdf?edit
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[11:03:23] <Jaime Jimenez> thnks!
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[11:31:06] <brong> "within months" doesn't seem very compatible with "we're not forming a working group yet"
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[11:32:22] <Pete Resnick (the other one)> Where is our faithful AD? Can you explain why this was non-WG-forming?
[11:32:24] <francesca> [off topic: I lost
[11:33:05] <mcr> I think because ODM only went public, the IESG couldn't consider charter proposals yet, but the charter can be argued without another BOF.
[11:33:37] <mcr> please bring this up when we get to non-clarifying questions.
[11:33:40] <francesca> (nevermind, the message got sent and then I fixed my problem:) I had lost the slide sharing)
[11:34:01] <Pete Resnick (the other one)> @mcr: ack
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[11:36:32] <brong> who are "onedm" and are they here?
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[11:36:56] <mcr> many of them are in the next presentation.
[11:36:58] <Alan Soloway> Many of us are :)
[11:37:06] <brong> awesome :)
[11:37:18] <Alan Soloway> You actually already know most of us.
[11:37:23] <brong> [insert joke about: many of us are one]
[11:37:29] <brong> "I'm not"
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[11:37:44] <mcr> he's not wrong, he's brong!
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[11:37:55] <Alan Soloway> I will be assimmilated?
[11:37:57] <brong> you can't be wrong without b-rong
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[11:40:51] <Pete Resnick (the other one)> No yawning while not on mute.
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[11:41:21] <mcr> I see a missing feature for panel presentations, is that if one mutes, then one loses the mic permission.
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[11:41:33] <Adam Wiethuechter> Its contagious, I just yawned myself
[11:41:38] <mcr> so you have use the local mute...
[11:42:07] <francesca> you don't lose mic permissions, you can unmute yourself whenever you want
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[11:42:22] <mcr> oh. I didn't experience that. That's good then.
[11:42:45] <Pete Resnick (the other one)> @mcr: It's a UI clarity problem: You can start speaking without being in the queue. Putting yourself in the queue is just being polite.
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[11:43:08] <mcr> yes, I figured out that part :-)
[11:43:14] <francesca> :) Yes. not to abuse if you are a participants. (queue rules still apply) but for presenters and chairs it's useful
[11:43:41] <cabo> Lost audio
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[11:43:45] <RjS> lost audio
[11:43:46] <Cullen Jennings> I just lost his audio
[11:43:53] <Alan Soloway> lost audio?
[11:43:53] <Michael Palage> Me as well
[11:43:54] <francesca> same
[11:43:55] <Ben Campbell> Me too
[11:43:58] <Pete Resnick (the other one)> Meetecho faithfully implemented IETF rudeness. ;-)
[11:43:59] <Ben Campbell> I hear others
[11:44:00] <Warren Kumari> Yupper...
[11:44:15] <Adam Wiethuechter> So it sounds like its a self maintaining (federated?) priority queue
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[11:45:22] <Pete Resnick (the other one)> You can choose to queue, or run straight to the mic. And multiple people can just gather around the mic and talk at the same time.
[11:45:22] <mcr> distributed ledger priority mic queue
[11:45:51] <Adam Wiethuechter> Brilliant
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[11:52:41] <cabo> Lost again?
[11:52:44] <Adam Wiethuechter> Gone again
[11:52:56] <Alan Soloway> Zigbee bug?
[11:53:09] <Ira McDonald> Michael Koster - lost your audio again 1 minute ago
[11:53:17] <mcr> his firewall kills his RTP stream, I'll bet.
[11:53:36] <francesca> pete michael maybe has the same problem you had with your mic?
[11:53:36] <RjS> @mcr - almost certainly
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[11:54:03] <cabo> Michaelkoster    : are we done with Zigbee or do we need to return to you?
[11:54:13] <mcr> maybe too much outgoing without some incoming data?  Mingling had this problem yesterday.
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[12:01:41] <Marc Blanchet> do you know if there is anyway to, as a participant, not receive the video streams of speakers?
[12:02:03] <Michael Palage> Yes
[12:02:06] <Meetecho> Marc Blanchet: yes, all videos have controls to stop them
[12:02:17] <Meetecho> If you hover over the video, they'll appear on top
[12:02:21] <Meetecho> (pause icon in your case)
[12:02:22] <Michael Palage> Hit the pause button above the speaker's video feed
[12:02:23] <Marc Blanchet> ah! the pause icon. thanks.
[12:02:40] <Meetecho> You can restore the video at any time if you change your mind
[12:02:42] <Marc Blanchet> I was looking for like a X to kill it.
[12:02:54] <Meetecho> :)
[12:03:11] <Meetecho> We're pacifist, we went for pause rather than kill!
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[12:03:58] <Randy Turner> performance would be a binding issue?
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[12:06:06] <mcr> we are looking for objections to this process.
[12:06:14] <mcr> concerns?
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[12:06:24] <mcr> "yes, but, what about...?"
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[12:07:19] <Jaime Jimenez> Why not humming?
[12:07:25] <Trent> +1 hum
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[12:07:51] <francesca> remember jabber folks count for niente...
[12:08:06] <Alan Soloway> +1 hum
[12:08:24] <francesca> (to chairs)
[12:08:29] <Alan Soloway> loudly :)
[12:08:35] <Jaime Jimenez> baritone or tenor only please
[12:08:44] <Pete Resnick (the other one)> That was a very in-tune hum, for those who did.
[12:08:50] <Adam Wiethuechter> ohhhhmmmmm
[12:09:28] <Eve Schooler> can we have some discussion about where other than the ietf would this work get done?
[12:10:21] <mcr> come to the mic, if you think there are alternatives.
[12:10:32] <mcr> we have lots of time :-)
[12:11:15] <mcr> alternatives: OASIS, W3C,
[12:11:40] <Pete Resnick (the other one)> Crickets….
[12:12:02] <mcr> crickets.org, for all your open standards needs!
[12:12:28] <Adam Wiethuechter> yacl; yet another cricket language
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[12:13:36] <mcr> https://github.com/one-data-model/ietf108/blob/master/charter.md
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[12:15:06] <Marc Blanchet> suggesting to spend the remaining time to discuss the charter. high-bandwidth is precious and can be used.
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[12:16:20] <Marc Blanchet> right link is: https://github.com/one-data-model/ietf108/commit/6af8e5fc10c036116249a6290e8e87a1ad1fcc49#diff-778830d439b70bb644e57dac072da3e6
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[12:16:42] <brong> jsonpath mailing list was created about 20 min ago
[12:16:44] <mcr> okay, restored charter.md to github.
[12:17:44] <Pete Resnick (the other one)> "There's no tricky bits in the charter that we see" is a fine answer to the question.
[12:17:54] <Pete Resnick (the other one)> Details can be dealt with on the list.
[12:18:44] <mcr> above link is now correct.
[12:20:11] <Brendan Moran> Provided it's an english keyboard, anyway
[12:20:23] <mcr> and not dvorak.
[12:21:09] <Brendan Moran> Qwerty in general, then.
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[12:22:45] <mcr> next wg: uiop !
[12:23:03] <Brendan Moran> I'm sure I can find a way to backronym that.
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