[11:45:28] malc joins the room [12:59:58] rbonica joins the room [13:12:39] Shane Amante joins the room [13:12:46] Shane Amante leaves the room [13:13:34] escoman joins the room [13:14:14] hello [13:14:24] The meeting hasn't started yet [13:14:46] rdroms joins the room [13:15:00] Hey, Ron. I'm working on webex now. [13:15:44] Slides for the opening part of the meeting... http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/slides/armd-4.pdf [13:16:41] barryleiba joins the room [13:16:54] giles.heron@gmail.com joins the room [13:17:15] If anyone needs to ask a question or has a point to make, ask for a "channel request" [13:17:38] is audio available? I have slides on webex. [13:17:39] sm joins the room [13:17:43] dromasca joins the room [13:18:11] cdl joins the room [13:18:29] ok - the mic is way too hot - very distorted remotely [13:19:12] Discussion point: the need for massive L2 in Data Centers [13:19:12] escoman leaves the room [13:19:14] cdl: Is it that way right now? [13:19:21] still very HOT [13:19:29] I also have an alternative read of the charter. If we find alternatives to massive layer two networks, that is better than investing the work to make large l2 networks work [13:19:39] ray joins the room [13:19:41] escoman joins the room [13:19:49] I tried. [13:19:49] mcharlesr joins the room [13:19:52] someone please channel for me [13:19:53] thanks [13:19:56] Sorry, I'm back now [13:19:56] sftcd joins the room [13:19:59] ok [13:20:28] i am at the mic [13:21:14] Ron: he's in queue, but there are several ahead of him. [13:21:28] true [13:22:01] i can do an ad interrupt if needed [13:22:03] 10 minutes for discussion of problem statement may have been optimistic [13:22:25] and this is point one [13:22:37] I agree with Jari [13:22:38] resnick joins the room [13:22:51] Ron: Do you still need to be channeled? [13:23:00] yes [13:23:02] ok [13:23:07] JMHWORK joins the room [13:25:41] you are next [13:25:48] Agree with Thomas, Jari, and Igor [13:26:39] gigix73 joins the room [13:28:56] Murari joins the room [13:29:16] Jari : Just trying to understand what the problem is. [13:29:23] There are a LOT of ADs in this room! [13:29:42] tm.morin joins the room [13:30:02] There are a LOT of everyone in this room [13:30:07] :-) [13:30:41] weiber joins the room [13:31:29] sm leaves the room [13:31:57] sm joins the room [13:32:12] Are scaling issues in other address resolution mechanisms in scope? [13:32:35] Dave McDyson --> please read the charter [13:33:57] Charter slides -> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/slides/armd-4.pdf [13:37:47] Jari: Multiple dimensions here -- massive isn't defined and doesn't need to be defined here. What needs to be done is defining the dimensions (routers, nodes, etc) [13:38:24] Request for a new WG draft on the problem statement [13:39:51] Call for Providers to provide Data, Stats, Analysis -- find information. [13:40:08] Discuss the data that is being requested on the mailing list [13:42:06] Dave McDyson points out that Gap Analysis is covered by the scope statement [13:42:45] There are a number of data center network designs. The data/designs will be different for each of those. [13:43:11] Ralph Droms -- basically said that all data is good [13:43:42] Jari: Data that shows the pinch points in the various DC design [13:43:53] Well... I was more thinking of data that demonstrates a problem. But data that demonstrates the lack of a problem would be good, too... [13:44:14] thanks for the clarification [13:44:39] Rahul -- The problem statement should be written by operators [13:45:41] Good news there is a lot of energy in the room! [13:45:56] Linda Dunbar: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dunbar-armd-problem-statement-01 [13:46:01] I like the idea of letting operators tell us where the pain is [13:46:10] and slides http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/slides/armd-0.pdf [13:46:36] microphone please! [13:46:36] rvdp joins the room [13:46:57] Is that better? [13:47:01] hes [13:47:03] yes [13:47:04] yes [13:47:59] tm.morin leaves the room [13:48:30] tm.morin joins the room [13:50:17] Questions at the end [13:50:26] Yizhou Li: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-liyz-armd-vm-migration-ps-01 [13:50:42] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/slides/armd-2.pdf [13:51:10] bensons joins the room [13:51:37] JMHWORK leaves the room [13:52:18] gigix73 leaves the room [13:55:10] narten joins the room [13:55:22] Murari leaves the room [13:59:08] Next: Ben Mack-Crane is not here, so there is no third presentation [13:59:23] Randy Bush [13:59:44] rvdp leaves the room [13:59:45] have the operators explain the actual problems they are having [14:00:20] Igor -- Vendors should ask! [14:00:31] Joel Jaeggli joins the room [14:00:36] giles.heron@gmail.com leaves the room [14:01:15] Do we want to plan an interim meeting where operators give those presentations? [14:01:24] Yes [14:01:27] channel please [14:01:34] got it [14:02:16] thomasdnadeau joins the room [14:02:20] Spot on Randy: where are the operators? [14:02:22] Randy Bush says --- come to nanog! [14:02:44] could we piggy back it on the next nanog? [14:02:51] Jari: Is concerned about the perception that this is being driven by operators [14:03:26] Rahul (Juniper) [14:04:00] Totally agree with Rahul. [14:04:09] Dinesh (Cisco) [14:05:14] The conclusion of the presentation that wasnt' presented is wrong (according to yahoo) [14:05:59] Dave McDyson --- current or future -- what is in scope? [14:07:30] Igor from Yahoo --- need to define what a data center is [14:08:40] barryleiba leaves the room [14:09:18] Kathy from Nanog program committee.. please submit a bof [14:09:39] Now back to the presentations --> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mackcrane-armd-ipv6-nd-scaling-00 [14:09:47] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/slides/armd-1.pdf [14:09:59] sftcd leaves the room [14:12:17] Igor --> the problem is that this presentation is assuming a particular design [14:12:19] dromasca leaves the room [14:13:34] Chris Morrow Google --> The data center is designed for a particular workload. If you change the workload, it looks like the protocols but may be a hardware problem. 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