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[14:29:29]  aqm recommendations, slide "next steps"
[14:33:39]  ECN benefits slide
[14:33:48]  Benefit from avoiding congestion loss
[14:35:37]  Benefits that require special configuration
[14:36:01]  in case anyone wants to help write minutes: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-89-aqm
[14:37:23]  conclusion
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[14:38:03]  next steps
[14:45:58]  MIC: this draft is very helpful; for discussion; we need to balance against problems; I could suggest some other benefits offline; the unasked question is whether it belongs in this WG.
[14:48:46]  i tried to bring up the Q if this belongs to this WG; 
[14:51:46]  Have we given up on names at the mic?
[14:51:58]  andrew mcgregor
[14:53:45]  dave robinson
[14:53:45]  dirk kutcher
[14:54:31]  Stuart Cheshire
[14:54:32]  steward cheschire
[14:56:23]  will somebody make stuart post those instructions to the list... please!!
[14:56:50]  they will appear in the minutes, 
[14:57:02]  and i ask him to post them too,..
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[14:58:26]  Since the line was closed:  Some considerations are not included because they depend on confguration.  This is a sales document; and engineering document describing tradeoffs would be more useful.
[14:58:53]  Enabling ECN on Mac OS X:
[14:59:05]  sudo sysctl -w net.inet.tcp.ecn_initiate_out=1
sudo sysctl -w net.inet.tcp.ecn_negotiate_in=1
[15:01:23]  AQM eval guidelines
[15:01:24]  slide 2
[15:01:44]  slide 3
[15:02:25]  slide 4 - context
[15:03:15]  slide 5 - objectives
[15:03:53]  slide 7 - metrics
[15:04:28]  slide 8 - queue related metrics
[15:05:53]  will someone ask about multiple queues?
[15:07:41]  scott bradner
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[15:12:27]  michael scharf (last Q)
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[15:14:55]  slide 9 - end 2 end etrics
[15:18:40]  slide 11 - evaluation scenarios
[15:19:46]  slide 12 - methodology
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[15:20:37]  slide 13 - topology
[15:21:38]  al morton
[15:22:30]  slide 14 - generic scenarios
[15:23:58]  why is TCP cubic considered aggressive? doesn't it degenerate to TCP Reno in the presence of real TCP Reno?
[15:25:23]  slide - performance evaluation
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