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Please put "mic" in front of comments you want relayed to the room. [09:07:21] yone joins the room [09:07:36] loreto.salvatore joins the room [09:08:58] willem joins the room [09:09:03] Frederico A C Neves joins the room [09:10:36] Larry Masinter at the mic. [09:11:22] hildjj leaves the room [09:11:41] hildjj joins the room [09:12:10] Mark Nottingham, in a suit [09:12:13] m&m joins the room [09:13:39] Ning Kong joins the room [09:13:52] Andy Newton [09:15:05] Dave Thaler, http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/89/slides/slides-89-appsawg-7.pdf [09:16:12] Karen O'Donoghue joins the room [09:17:05] healthyao2000 joins the room [09:17:08] [slide 3] [09:17:34] [slide 4] [09:18:13] [slide 5] [09:20:44] Tony Hansen [09:21:29] Barry Leiba [09:21:51] Phil Hallam-Baker [09:22:53] Keith Moore [09:23:08] It's a registry, not a protocol enforcer stick. [09:23:18] (No, I'm not going to the mic) [09:23:33] +1 (and I'm not going to the mic either). 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But there certainly *wasn't* consensus to do this prefixy thing, so the outcome was fine. [09:51:32] Tim Bray [09:51:33] frodeki leaves the room [09:51:49] =JeffH leaves the room [09:51:55] =JeffH joins the room [09:52:40] Phil Hallam-Baker [09:53:32] Mark Nottingham [09:54:03] Olafur Gudmundsson joins the room [09:54:10] John Levine [09:54:16] Atarashi Yoshifumi leaves the room [09:54:17] hildjj joins the room [09:54:43] Joe Hildebrand [09:55:10] Hmm - why not wait for w3c feedback [09:55:27] [slide 9] [09:57:34] [hum: strongly in favor of adopting as WG doc] [09:57:39] Barry Leiba [09:58:28] John Klensin [09:58:46] Andrew Sullivan leaves the room [09:58:49] john.levine leaves the room [09:58:51] Barry Leiba leaves the room [09:59:06] Dave Thaler joins the room [09:59:18] Andrew Sullivan joins the room [09:59:23] Bert Greevenbosch [09:59:31] john.levine joins the room [09:59:31] resnick leaves the room [09:59:37] Barry Leiba joins the room [09:59:39] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/89/slides/slides-89-appsawg-4.pdf [09:59:42] m&m leaves the room: Disconnected: closed [09:59:57] Ning Kong leaves the room [10:00:49] [slide 3] [10:00:53] hildjj leaves the room [10:01:00] m&m joins the room [10:01:16] Franck Martin leaves the room [10:01:23] [slide 4] [10:01:46] m&m leaves the room [10:01:51] m&m joins the room [10:02:45] Franck Martin joins the room [10:03:17] [slide 5] [10:03:35] hildjj joins the room [10:03:50] Barry Leiba leaves the room [10:04:19] [slide 6] [10:05:11] Barry Leiba joins the room [10:05:59] Barry Leiba leaves the room [10:06:30] Barry Leiba joins the room [10:06:55] Carsten Bormann [10:07:33] =JeffH leaves the room [10:08:02] Joe Hildebrand [10:09:07] =JeffH joins the room [10:09:11] Matt Miller [10:09:58] Phil Hallam-Baker [10:10:29] this is a rathole. [10:11:09] no, it was a rathole two tunnels back [10:11:15] it's a full-on warren now [10:11:39] Tony Hansen [10:13:48] Chris Newman [10:14:22] hildjj leaves the room [10:14:29] Karen O'Donoghue leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [10:14:41] Andrew Sullivan joins the room [10:14:46] Andrew Sullivan leaves the room [10:15:33] Karen O'Donoghue joins the room [10:15:44] hildjj joins the room [10:15:46] Andrew Sullivan leaves the room [10:15:58] Andrew Sullivan joins the room [10:16:42] Barry Leiba [10:16:43] what is "this" that Chris Newman (at mic) is referring to??? [10:16:51] which doc? [10:16:51] hildjj leaves the room [10:17:12] are we in app area gen meeting now ? [10:17:19] we're in AOB [10:17:31] of appsareawg [10:17:34] ? [10:17:36] yes [10:18:10] resnick joins the room [10:18:15] so this isn't in agenda -- so someone typing the doc filename in here would be good [10:18:20] John Klensin [10:18:43] something to do with multiple imap mailbox search IIRC [10:19:19] Pete Resnick [10:20:01] JeffH, my search turns up http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-morg-multimailbox-search-07.txt [10:20:15] ah ha, grt thx [10:20:25] Melinda Shore [10:21:01] TRANS (Public Notary Transparency) [10:21:30] Jim Galvin [10:21:43] EPPEXT (Extensible Provisioning Protocol Extensions) [10:24:12] SFC (Service Function Chaining) [10:24:23] tmux intersects with SFC ? [10:24:28] Michael [10:25:20] @@ ACE (Authentication and Authorization for Constrained Environments) [10:25:59] Andrew Sullivan [10:26:06] DBOUND (Domain Boundaries) [10:26:48] Marc Blanchet [10:26:53] dbound is thu 1500h [10:27:03] Leif J. UTA (Using TLS in Applications) [10:27:41] also "promiscuous encryption"... 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If people really have the energy for that, I will cheerfully contribute to setting up another bof [10:46:28] john.levine leaves the room [10:47:07] frodek joins the room [10:47:18] http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ogud-dane-vocabulary/ [10:47:48] Franck Martin joins the room [10:48:27] john.levine joins the room [10:48:38] cna't use AAAA ? [10:49:16] :-) [10:49:33] Barry Leiba leaves the room [10:49:39] @Franck I think Olafur meant that there's no MX->AAAA fallback [10:50:07] There is the same fallback. That issue was resolved a few years back. [10:50:07] but isn't that implied from the MX->A fallback? [10:50:13] No [10:50:30] I agree with SM, though, that Olafur's mistaken about this [10:50:45] but the DNS documents don't seem to support it. so what? It's a mail issue [10:51:21] =JeffH leaves the room [10:51:30] =JeffH joins the room [10:51:47] you mean if I ask for a MX to DNS and there is none, it will return the A record (but not the AAAA) [10:52:11] so it is up to the mail app to get the AAAA [10:52:42] tony.l.hansen@gmail.com leaves the room [10:53:03] m&m leaves the room [10:54:02] sftcd joins the room [10:54:11] Dave Crocker [10:54:24] Oh! Dave Crocker. ;) [10:56:28] Jelte Jansen [10:56:49] Suzanne Woolf [10:57:36] Andrew Sullivan [10:57:39] satoru.kanno@jabber.org joins the room [10:59:36] sean.turner@jabber.psg.com leaves the room [11:00:08] =JeffH leaves the room [11:00:37] Phil Hallam-Baker [11:01:05] Ning Kong joins the room [11:01:16] the IAB program discussion list is architecture-discuss@ietf.org [11:02:14] sftcd leaves the room [11:02:17] Dave Crocker [11:02:49] sean.turner@jabber.psg.com joins the room [11:03:49] sean.turner@jabber.psg.com leaves the room [11:04:04] sftcd joins the room [11:04:21] Dave C. gets to meta-meta [11:04:21] Ning Kong leaves the room [11:04:43] =JeffH joins the room [11:04:59] A Multilingual Content Type (Nik Tomkinson; 15 mins) [11:05:07] Olafur Gudmundsson joins the room [11:05:58] Melinda joins the room [11:06:10] Melinda leaves the room [11:06:32] Barry Leiba joins the room [11:06:43] sean.turner@jabber.psg.com joins the room [11:06:47] m&m joins the room [11:07:37] is this "how to help spammers know what language to send?" [11:08:05] @wendy: and he even started asking you to be kind :-) [11:08:32] sure, that's like "we take your privacy seriously" :) [11:08:33] tony.l.hansen@gmail.com joins the room [11:10:31] Ning Kong joins the room [11:11:54] g.e.montenegro joins the room [11:12:15] sftcd leaves the room [11:12:17] Franck Martin leaves the room [11:12:44] =JeffH leaves the room [11:12:51] =JeffH joins the room [11:13:26] Andrew Sullivan joins the room [11:13:29] asking up front to be kind is like putting a FRAGILE sticker on a UPS package [11:13:29] Andrew Sullivan leaves the room [11:14:26] I'm somewhat surprised that the security considerations in this document doesn't point out that there's no way to be sure the different parts of the message "say the same thing" ("are legitimate translations", &c.) [11:15:30] this seems like an excellent way to say in English, for instance, "By replying to this email you agree to transfer us eleventy billion dollars" and in Lower Slobbovian, "We think you're great. Reply to this message for happy news." [11:16:20] Dirk-Willem van Gulik observes that the right amounth is more around 70 billion [11:16:35] The security considerations sections needs some work. [11:16:49] Dave Crocker [11:17:13] john.levine leaves the room [11:17:19] Keith Moore [11:18:04] Julian Reschke [11:18:13] Franck Martin joins the room [11:18:19] john.levine joins the room [11:18:22] ++keith - esp. given how close/messy it is in http wiht charset and transfer encodings in the same negot. 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