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[13:10:52] <Julian> so where's the audio stream?
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[13:11:59] <resnick> http://www.ietf.org/meeting/86/remote-participation.html
[13:12:04] <resnick> We are in Caribbean 1.
[13:12:17] <resnick> http://ietf86streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf863.m3u
[13:12:22] <Ken Murchison> pete: the links are all broken
[13:12:37] <resnick> :-/
[13:12:53] <resnick> I'll see if I can notify the "appropriate people".
[13:12:57] <Ken Murchison> now they appear be be working
[13:13:17] <resnick> Ah, good. Dave, try again.
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[13:15:11] <hildjj> what about etherpad?  it seems down.
[13:15:23] <stpeter> hrmph
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[13:21:51] <Dave Cridland> So just to catch up, this is Cyrus presenting?
[13:22:07] <Julian> yup
[13:22:12] <hildjj> Dave: yes.
[13:22:46] <Dave Cridland> And so this'd be iSchedule?
[13:22:50] <stpeter> yes
[13:22:55] <alexey.melnikov> Is there a jabber scribe? (I can't listen to audio, chairing another WG)
[13:23:09] <stpeter> yes, SM is scribing I think
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[13:23:36] <stpeter> but I don't necessarily see him in the room here :-)
[13:23:47] <sm> Ah, I was in the wrong wrong
[13:23:53] <stpeter> heh ok
[13:24:15] <barryleiba> Now you're in the right right.
[13:24:38] <sm> :-)
[13:25:00] <sm> Slides at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-appsawg-1.pdf
[13:25:33] <sm> Dave at the mic
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[13:26:13] <sm> Current slide is "proposedstandard"
[13:26:33] <sm> Joe commenting on the second point of that slide
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[13:27:27] <sm> Slide: implementations
[13:29:19] <sm> Slide: next steps
[13:29:39] <sm> Cyrus mentioning that there is an IPR on DKIM
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[13:30:50] <sm> Peter at the mic
[13:31:09] <sm> He is asking about the security parts
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[13:31:37] <sm> Any questions?
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[13:32:02] <Ken Murchison> as a current implementer, I am certainly willing to work with any WG on iSchedule
[13:32:03] <stpeter> BTW the "POSH" stuff we've been working on is https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-miller-xmpp-posh-prooftype/
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[13:32:27] <sftcd> on the DKIM issue, I guess another difference is bad-signature==ignore in DKIM but not here
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[13:32:43] <stpeter> sftcd: good point
[13:33:04] <sm> Tony presenting MDN
[13:33:19] <sm> Tony Hansen
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[13:33:55] <sm> Tony asked where to do the work
[13:34:05] <sm> He has not received any comments on his mdn draft
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[13:36:44] <sm> Pete, this is deployed stuff.  We are not reopening the can of worms
[13:37:14] <cyrus> iSchedule/DKIM - yes we do have a stricter requirement about failed signatures.
[13:38:03] <sftcd> @cyrus: I guess that just needs to be called out clearly (haven't read the draft sorry) in case someone re-uses code
[13:39:11] <Dave Cridland> Sorry, what's "this" in this context, I missed the audio for a second?
[13:39:30] <Ken Murchison> As a current implementer, I am certainly willing to work with any WG on iSchedule
[13:39:32] <Dave Cridland> Oh, we're back on iSchedule?
[13:39:40] <resnick> Yes, quick jump back.
[13:39:50] <sm> Dave, for the mic?
[13:40:11] <Dave Cridland> sm, No, I'll be clear if I need someone to be my puppet.
[13:40:24] <sm> Ok:-)
[13:40:52] <sm> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-appsawg-2.pdf
[13:41:10] <sm> Paul Hoffman at the mic
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[13:45:38] <cyrus> iSchedule: I don't think the current draft has enough text on what to do when signature verification fails. I'll make a note to address that.
[13:45:43] <sm> Joe at the mic commenting about browsers to have more access to the DNS
[13:48:36] <stpeter> http://www.vpnc.org/getdns-api/
[13:48:54] <stpeter> http://www.vpnc.org/mailman/listinfo/getdns-api is the mail list
[13:53:12] <sm> Paul Smith presenting webfinger
[13:53:20] <cyrus> Paul Jones
[13:53:21] <barryleiba> "Smith" ad "Jones" have the same number of letters.
[13:53:32] <barryleiba> I can see how one would get confused.
[13:53:37] <sm> OH
[13:53:41] <sm> sorry
[13:53:59] <Dave Cridland> Smith and Jones were a popular comdey double act in the UK, too.
[13:54:52] <sm> Dave, webfinger will be on the telechat on the 28th
[13:55:12] <barryleiba> Dave?
[13:55:17] <barryleiba> Who Dave?
[13:55:21] <Dave Cridland> That'd be me.
[13:55:21] <sm> Dave Cridland
[13:55:39] <sm> he will be reviewing that draft.  It's a FYI
[13:55:45] <barryleiba> Ah, I see.
[13:55:56] <barryleiba> I wondered why the comment was particularly directed at him.  Got it.
[13:56:32] <Andrew Sullivan> I don't know what this is like on the audio stream, but I can barely hear Paul at the mic
[13:57:00] <Dave Cridland> He seems to be speaking quietly, but otherwise clear for me.
[13:57:24] <Dave Cridland> Andrew Sullivan, I think we're just used to IETF people shouting at each other. :-)
[13:57:48] <Andrew Sullivan> hehehe.  It could just be that I'm near the door.  There's a lot of outside noise.
[13:58:40] <sm> Andrew Sullivan presenting Finding registered domains.
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[13:59:51] <anabolism> What is the problem that is being addressed?
[14:00:33] <sm> There is a draft.  Let me find it
[14:01:05] <sm> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sullivan-domain-origin-assert-02
[14:01:15] <anabolism> thanks
[14:02:10] <sm> There is a short exchange about the topic on apps-discuss
[14:04:42] <Dave Cridland> I would note that there have been widespread protests at the resource type Andrew proposes.
[14:05:11] <barryleiba> Dave, shall I relay that on the mic?
[14:05:26] <Dave Cridland> Only if you want to see if it raises a laugh. :-)
[14:05:32] <hildjj> LONG LIVE THE ADL!
[14:07:40] <Suz> it's metaphors all the way down….
[14:10:42] <sm> Peter Koch commenting that the DNS is not the place to find the solution
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[14:13:08] <=JeffH> Andrew Sullivan (et al) believe (and/or suspect) that placing the information in the DNS itself is the right way to do thiis because of issues of maintaining that info in a separate repository(ies)
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[14:13:18] <=JeffH> which is what is done now
[14:13:21] <=JeffH> and is broken
[14:13:45] <sm> Paul suffix is broken?::-)
[14:13:50] <sm> Public
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[14:15:22] <Suz> I'm not sure this belongs in the DNS (and I don't think Andrew is either) but it's worth exploring
[14:15:29] <=JeffH> pubic?
[14:17:01] <=JeffH> how 'bout the "don't use the DNS!" committee ??
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[14:17:52] <Dave Cridland> FWIW, I think this will in general terms work, and I support the work. In particular, I think information about DNS names probably belongs in the DNS.
[14:18:44] <=JeffH> yep
[14:19:27] <=JeffH> is the Internet not just a amalgamated pile of Kludges ?
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[14:20:37] <stpeter> Dave Cridland: do you want your commend relayed to the mic?
[14:21:00] <stpeter> comment, not commend
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[14:21:30] <Dave Cridland> Commendation?
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[14:27:51] <sm> Discussion t the mic about mailing list stuff:)
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[14:33:53] <ietfdbh> Some other directorates encourage all area chairs to be members, which is a good way to make chairs aware of other work going on in the area, and develop chairs for potential IESG/IAB roles.
[14:34:48] <ietfdbh> Some other directorates encourage all area chairs to be members, which is a good way to make chairs aware of other work going on in the area, and develop chairs for potential IESG/IAB roles.
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[14:35:07] <sm> It is supposed to be like that for AppsDir
[14:35:15] <sm> In practice, no comment :-)
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[14:37:31] <Julian> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-appsawg-3.pdf
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[14:45:07] <barryleiba> Dave H, we are having a lunch meeting today with the App Chairs and the App Dir.  We'll talk about exactly that.
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[14:47:25] <tonyhansen> those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it
[14:48:27] <anabolism> Hey, ACAP II!
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[14:49:03] <mnotting> "click here to join"? Really? That FAILs utterly.
[14:49:35] <resnick> Where was the "click here to join"?
[14:49:46] <mnotting> you said:
[14:49:47] <mnotting> We are using this room
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[14:50:03] <resnick> Oh, that's your client. I sent you an invite.
[14:50:05] <mnotting> that's a link to a proprietary service, which when dereferenced, redirects to a useless support page.
[14:50:09] <mnotting> hmm
[14:50:19] <mnotting> I think it's actually my server. Blech.
[14:50:38] <mnotting> can you type the address out, or something?
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