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[16:05:39] <Gregory Shapiro> Is the streaming audio working for others?
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[16:07:05] <yngve_n_pettersen> just white noise from the stream for me
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[16:07:32] <Gregory Shapiro> Ok, you are getting more than I am — just spinning waiting for the stream.
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[16:09:55] <=JeffH> which of the app*{area,wg} chatrooms is the right one ? :)
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[16:21:38] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> It is a nice resolution choice screen
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[16:24:01] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> JSON schema next?
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[16:27:37] <yngve_n_pettersen> Still no sound on the audiostream (other channels work fine)
[16:28:29] <hardie> Yea for the via media!
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[16:30:05] <Sean Turner> yngve so the stream through the room isn't working?
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[16:31:01] <yngve_n_pettersen> Not as far as I can tell, http://ietf84streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf842.m3u produces no sound, e.g. http://ietf84streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf841.m3u <http://ietf84streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf842.m3u> has sound
[16:31:57] <Sean Turner> ack
[16:33:30] <Sean Turner> I sent something to the help desk
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[16:42:18] <hardie> The IAB document I mentioned at the mic is: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iab-privacy-considerations-03
[16:43:02] <Sean Turner> please read it
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[16:46:08] <hardie> By the way is the author of the IRC-TLS port draft in the chatroom?
[16:46:34] <Sean Turner> secretariat is on the audio issue
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[16:50:53] <yngve_n_pettersen> Was that a few seconds of sound on the stream?
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[16:51:06] <mnot> they're working on it right now
[16:51:16] <mnot> (i.e., someone is at the front of the room, fiddling)
[16:51:29] <yngve_n_pettersen> thought so
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[17:00:59] <Sean Turner> somebody's here messing with the audio - any better?
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[17:08:50] <Sean Turner> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda/saag/
[17:09:33] <Sean Turner> Tim's talk on CAB Forum is probably of some interest
[17:11:22] <yngve_n_pettersen> Still no sound (after the couple of seconds earlier)
[17:12:08] <mnot> The carpet in this room is HORRIFIC. Remote people, be glad your'e not here.
[17:13:00] <resnick> You don't like Frank Lloyd Wright patterns Mark?
[17:14:22] <mnot> You do a great disservice to FLW.
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[17:15:00] <resnick> :)
[17:15:23] <m&m> I think this carpet was done by someone with a great longing to see FLW's work
[17:15:38] <barryleiba> The walls are more Piet Mondrian.
[17:15:55] mnot hangs head in dispair
[17:16:30] <barryleiba> "Burrard Boogie-Woogie"
[17:17:20] <barryleiba> Could be worse: the ceiling could be mirrored.
[17:17:32] <mnot> That's the spirit.
[17:18:01] <tlr> Or you could have tilted tiles on the walls in a round room. Frank Gehry does that sort of thing.
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[17:19:08] <doug.otis7601> https://alternations.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/frank-lloyd-wright/
[17:19:21] <mnot> What is a "JSON/REST Data Structure"?
[17:19:21] <cabo> Is anything happening in this meeting?
[17:19:22] <yngve_n_pettersen> Finally sound that lasts more than a few seconds
[17:19:36] <mnot> now there are *two* people working on the sound...
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[17:20:04] <barryleiba> Does that mean it will be twice as bad?
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[17:20:29] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> JSON/REST means that Jason goes for a snooze
[17:20:48] <cabo> What is the agenda item you guys are on?
[17:20:52] <barryleiba> mnot: "JSON/REST Data Structure" is a data structure that contains maximal buzz-words.
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[17:21:08] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> Actually it means they use form encoding for requests and JSON for responses
[17:21:15] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> I find that kinda ideological
[17:21:28] <mnot> REST != form encoding
[17:21:29] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> like why not use JSON in both directions
[17:21:31] <resnick> Did he just say the words "final specification vote"?
[17:21:46] <mnot> if you wan to use HTML form encoding, say you want to use HTML form encoding
[17:21:57] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> mnot ou don't say?
[17:21:59] <mnot> if you're going to tart it up, you need to say it's *cloud* rest json encoding.
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[17:23:51] <mnot> Sorry, social cloud web rest json encoding. Probably needs a "simple" in there.
[17:23:55] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> mnot are you saying that buzzwords are bad for technology?
[17:24:14] <mnot> that's correlation, not causation.
[17:24:25] <mnot> but the correlation is very high...
[17:24:31] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> SimpleSocialCloudJSONRest SSCJR encoding
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[17:24:44] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> I need a vowel
[17:24:49] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> Give me a vowel
[17:24:51] <sftcd> U
[17:24:58] <mnot> Open
[17:25:14] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> SCUJR = Scojer
[17:25:17] <mnot> Interoperable
[17:25:23] <resnick> @mnot: http://xkcd.com/552/
[17:25:34] <mnot> I like that one
[17:25:42] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> pronounced Skidjer
[17:26:17] <resnick> "psuedonymous". Good word.
[17:26:38] <resnick> pseudonymous
[17:27:00] <mnot> hmm, we seem to have gone off-piste here, or 10 minute seems a lot longer these days...
[17:28:14] <barryleiba> "pseudonymous" is a nice, woody word.
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[17:29:29] <resnick> • Why is
• there a
• bullet on
• every line?
[17:30:01] <barryleiba> He could put each word on a separate slide, as Larry Lessig does.
[17:30:13] <Andrew Sullivan> http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/books_pp
[17:30:17] <Andrew Sullivan> That's why :)
[17:31:26] <hildjj> chairs: next time, for this group, background on URNs isn't interesting.
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[17:39:00] <sftcd> that's bogus IMO
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[17:41:04] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> You know, I started out with essentially this proposal and Stephen persuaded me to join his….
[17:42:06] <sftcd> yeah doing it once is better
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[17:45:05] <barryleiba> I cannot imagine that this and ni can't be merged.
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[17:47:55] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> I want to share the code for these two schemes
[17:48:18] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> Having two drafts is not an issue, having separate code to tweak the two schemes is a pain
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[17:58:24] <doug.otis7601> Can registrars offer a RR that identifies a registration domain controlled by ICANN?
[17:58:44] <yngve_n_pettersen> Channel: Usage areas for public suffix: Clients need to be able to implement certain policy limitations on sharing, such as cookie domains and javscript document.domain, or provide security information, such as in the address bar.
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[18:05:51] <Andrew Sullivan> @doug.otis: not today. That's what this is intended to do
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[18:19:44] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> No no!
[18:20:00] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> Make people map the whole space
[18:20:11] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> Don't make any allowance for practical considerations
[18:20:20] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> Do it the way it worked in the past
[18:20:25] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> simpler is better
[18:20:29] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> simpler is better
[18:20:32] <Phillip Hallam-Baker> ....
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[18:31:33] <doug.otis7601> @hallam, Marking registration domains would allow assignment of responsibility provided the next level up, provided it is also not a registration domain. Private suffix llsts might create holes where responsibilty is ignored.
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