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Begen joins the room [11:49:53] indeed [11:51:19] I'm sure they could have found a smaller room [11:52:19] why - to be properly over-subscribed ? [11:53:45] the temperature in here is going to cause some chunk loss. [11:55:41] somebody is drinking beer in the room... [11:55:50] release co2 and make the room hot? [11:58:46] stpeter is feeling like a sleepy node [12:01:15] magnus joins the room [12:04:58] here is so quiet... [12:05:11] where are the trouble makers? [12:05:16] LOL [12:05:27] Here is something to look at [12:05:29] http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/NetworkingInternet/Conceptual/StreamingMediaGuide/HTTPStreamingArchitecture/HTTPStreamingArchitecture.html [12:05:48] apple's stuff is pretty straighforward [12:06:03] one TCP trying to get TS segments to fill up the buffer (a large one) [12:06:04] yup [12:06:14] and their segments are quite longer than others [12:06:17] about 10 seconds [12:06:53] which has of course different implications on many things we might talk about tonite [12:09:42] we still didn't get into the point what ietf should do. [12:10:50] apple should implement RAMS [12:10:51] we are debating whether http streaming is needed. [12:10:59] actually that is obvious [12:11:08] 3 seconds is so 1990s. [12:11:20] You could debate what is seemingly obvious here [12:11:28] http streaming has been chosen by various SDOs. [12:11:33] but it is going to be useful [12:12:06] the question is about what ietf can do in this area. or do nothing, right? [12:12:10] Not going to comment on the sanity of choices by different SDOs in general [12:12:30] I think we can think and see if we can improve things [12:12:47] sctp would be one real improvement. [12:13:04] but the list of shortcomings we are presently talking about is not a great reflection of the issues [12:13:11] Dan: there are proposals to run http over sctp. [12:13:18] yes, well aware. [12:13:55] Barry, draft-wing-tsvwg-happy-eyeballs-sctp [12:14:02] When is broad platform support of SCTP likely? [12:14:21] Barry: when SCTP shows its value. [12:14:57] streaming is a 'great' use case to support http over sctp [12:15:07] da [12:16:19] we need to focus on the issues and whether Ietf is the right place to solve them [12:34:58] +1 to Stuart's comment. [12:40:22] Linyi Tian leaves the room [12:40:50] Linyi Tian joins the room [12:46:29] >:-) [12:47:50] Linyi Tian leaves the room [12:53:34] sctp! [12:54:03] burn leaves the room [12:54:06] marshall leaves the room [12:54:22] I am for sctp [12:54:30] I think it stands a better chance [12:55:21] what's the nat/firewall traversal status for http/sctp? Just to avoid we will the reason why we are doing all of this :-) [12:55:50] I believe dan was saying this could be a good motivation to switch to ipv6 [12:56:05] this won't make them go away ... [12:56:51] Barry Leiba leaves the room [12:57:01] IPv6 doesn't have the encumberance of today's ubiquitious NAPT44. And we could, if one really wants, run SCTP over UDP to get SCTP's advantages over TCP -- user-noticable advantages that cannot be obtained with TCP. [12:57:10] IPv6 is SCTP's chance. [12:57:35] @joerg: what is the "this" you're referring to? 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