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[10:08:23] <resnick> Agenda:
[10:08:33] <resnick> Apps Review (Eric Burger)
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[10:08:55] <resnick> Brief: APM BOF, IDN Office hours, types & URI/URN
[10:09:06] <resnick> BOFs: HTTPBis
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[10:09:14] <resnick> vCardDAV
[10:09:16] <resnick> BIFF
[10:09:31] <resnick> WGs: lemonade sieve, eai, calsify
[10:09:45] <resnick> One other which I'll get back to.
[10:09:50] <resnick> Eric Burger on Apps Review:
[10:09:55] <resnick> 19 people on review team.
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[10:10:06] <resnick> We've looked at 11 docs already
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[10:10:37] <resnick> Silly discussion about the fonts on the web page.....
[10:11:01] <resnick> Currently round-robin'ing the reviews.
[10:11:23] <resnick> Doing this by request of AD, Chair, or individual, not everything.
[10:11:44] <julian.reschke> [audio cast doesn't seem to work in this room]
[10:11:51] <resnick> Volunteering for this gets you good dinner companions.
[10:12:06] <resnick> Thanks to all reviewers (clap clap clap)
[10:12:33] <resnick> Backing up - Agenda bash. No additions
[10:12:59] <resnick> APM BOF : Applications Performance Metrics. In Ops area, but need apps people in the room. Anyone going?
[10:13:30] <resnick> Meeting Wednesday 1510 in Crystal.
[10:13:33] <resnick> Next item:
[10:13:43] <resnick> IDN office hours. Klensin.
[10:14:06] <julian.reschke> [can anybody please check what's wrong with the audio cast?]
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[10:14:57] <resnick> Work on IDNbis. Want input.
[10:15:19] <resnick> Deciding when it will be....
[10:15:35] <resnick> When/where?
[10:15:38] <resnick> I missed it.
[10:15:50] <eric> Monday 13:00, Thursday 16:00
[10:15:58] <eric> I don't think they said where
[10:16:19] <resnick> types & URI/URN reviews are done on a mailing list.
[10:16:24] <resnick> Need official reviewers
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[10:17:18] <resnick> (Does someone have the magic e-mail address for general admin problems so that someone can fix the audio cast)
[10:17:39] <resnick> Klensin volunteers for type. Lear for URI/URN.
[10:17:46] <julian.reschke> audio there now.
[10:17:48] <resnick> HTTPbis BOF - Lsa.
[10:17:52] <resnick> Lisa, that is.
[10:17:59] <julian.reschke> (but need to speak up)
[10:18:31] <julian.reschke> (thanks)
[10:18:36] <resnick> BOF is to discuss (a) How much revamp of HTTP doc should be, and (b) what to do about authentication.
[10:18:46] <resnick> Alexey doesn't want to add anything.
[10:19:09] <resnick> vCardDAV BOF - (Thursday 1510)
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[10:19:32] <resnick> Revving vCard base spec and looking at Cyrus's CardDAV protocol.
[10:19:47] <resnick> Kurt - Looking at which documents might need revising.
[10:19:58] <resnick> Also whether it makes sense to have a CardDAV protocol.
[10:20:10] <resnick> Also figure out how this overlaps with CalConnect folks.
[10:20:34] <resnick> BIFF BOF (Fri 0900)
[10:21:10] <resnick> Looking at lightweight notifications from mail store through presence system (i.e., XMPP or SIP) to a client.
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[10:21:21] <resnick> Looking to keep this very narrowly scoped.
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[10:22:14] <resnick> Randy: That sums it up pretty well. Trying to use the term "state change notifications" instead of "notifications", since the latter is very general/confusing.
[10:22:21] <resnick> *Not* trying to do IMAP over SIP.
[10:22:26] <resnick> Lisa other items:
[10:23:08] <resnick> 2821/2822 are being discussed on ietf-smtp@imc.org and ietf-822@imc.org.
[10:23:42] <resnick> (Wires being shuffled around for next presentation....)
[10:23:57] <resnick> Thomas Roessler on Canonical XML 1.1.
[10:25:49] <resnick> (Or maybe this is just a general "what's going on in W3C presentation.)
[10:26:11] <resnick> (Sorry, some stuff missed due to jabber outage.)
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[10:26:31] <resnick> W3C Workshop coming up Sept 25/26
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[10:26:39] <resnick> papers due Aug 14.
[10:27:06] <resnick> Presentation will be posted in the minutes. Went to fast for me to write it in here.
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[10:28:14] <resnick> Chris: Show of hands - Who's worked with XML Dig signatures.
[10:28:17] <resnick> Answer few.
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[10:28:44] <resnick> Off-mic discussion about that with Thomas.
[10:28:49] <resnick> WG meetings:
[10:29:12] <resnick> LEMONADE - Lots of interesting complicated IMAP extensions. Go read before they meet this afternoon.
[10:29:21] <resnick> SIEVE - More extensions, as usual.
[10:29:41] <resnick> EAI - Core specs being finished up. Downgrade is needing more review.
[10:29:55] <resnick> CALSIFY - Marching through issues.
[10:30:10] <resnick> Anyone want to add anything? No? No.
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[10:30:34] <resnick> App Config issues - Lisa.
[10:31:29] <resnick> Overall: Is there anyway to successfully do out-of-band app config? XMPP, e.g., does it in-band.
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[10:31:48] <resnick> Is it getting easier? Are there framework pieces missing.
[10:32:09] <resnick> Some Finnish dudes are working on a draft. Simo is going to show some slides.
[10:32:29] <resnick> This is just an announcement of this work; still talking to SIP folks about how this interacts with them.
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[10:33:35] <resnick> draft-veikkolainen-sipping-app-config-00
[10:34:14] <resnick> Config of app settings (especially little devices) is hard
[10:34:25] <resnick> How do we find config server?
[10:34:55] <resnick> SIP UA Config Framework is going on in SIP draft-ietf-sipping-config-framework
[10:35:11] <resnick> Might not need all of that machinery.
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[10:35:35] <resnick> Goal - Figure out where to get info.
[10:35:53] <resnick> Part 1 - Discovery; Part 2 - Getting config info
[10:36:23] <resnick> Discovery - U-NAPTR or SRV query
[10:37:26] <resnick> Retrieve config - (ACAP, SIP-UA-Config, or could use simple HTTP-based mechanism)
[10:37:48] <resnick> This document defines getting an HTTP-Based solution getting an XML config document (or two).
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[10:39:07] <resnick> End of presentation.
[10:39:40] <resnick> Chris: Discussion of MIME multiparts in SIP. Something to go look at.
[10:39:43] <Lisa> Eric burger nods vigorously :)
[10:39:57] <resnick> Anything else?
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[10:40:07] <resnick> Nope. Go read LEMONADE docs before session starts.
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[10:40:32] <resnick> Good night, and good luck.
[10:40:45] <tlr> W3C workshop related slides: http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/tlr-ietf-chicago.pdf
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