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[14:26:25] <dhruvdhody> Nanjing actually :)
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[14:26:59] <Y. Richard Yang> Hi, I am a volunteer to watch on jabber.
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[14:28:07] <Kai Gao_web_319> I see the message.
[14:28:10] <dhruvdhody> yess i see your message richard
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[14:29:13] <Kai Gao_web_319> Maybe we are using the Jabber channel from Meetecho instead of using a client.
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[14:29:51] <Richard Y.> Got it. Thanks a lot.
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[14:31:05] <Qiao Xiang_web_426> Are we started already?
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[14:32:22] <dhruvdhody> yes
[14:32:28] <Jingxuan Zhang_web_942> Yes
[14:32:29] <Börje Ohlman_web_377> yes
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[14:32:33] <Qiao Xiang_web_426> It's better
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[14:34:59] <Mahdi_web_846> sorry, f11 will do full-screen
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[14:42:20] <Farni Boten_web_161> not deployed
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[14:42:41] <Farni Boten_web_161> sorry my audio does not work
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[14:42:50] <Farni Boten_web_161> NO DEPLOYMENT at Sprint
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[14:43:10] <Richard Y.> No sound?
[14:43:13] <Qiao Xiang_web_426> did we lose Chin's  screen?
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[14:44:33] <Martin Duke_web_842> two?
[14:44:35] <Qiao Xiang_web_426> a very long screen
[14:44:41] <Martin Duke_web_842> MS Teams + the preso
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[14:45:00] <Martin Duke_web_842> much better
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[14:57:42] <James Hurley_web_319> Can whoever is typing mute themselves?
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[14:58:11] <Martin Duke_web_842> If we're proposing pub/sub, is that really ALTO anymore? Or is this a whole different protocol?
[14:58:26] <Ahmed Aldabbagh_web_927> pardon my lack of knowledge/background in this area and hence the very basic question: is this group looking at standardisation of application signallng to the network its qos requirements?
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[14:59:40] <Martin Duke_web_842> @jan You can mute everybody
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[15:00:41] <Chunshan Xiong_web_787> @ahmed , no, we expect to extend the policy to inlcude the QoS requiremnent and alternative QoS requirements.
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[15:01:30] <Sebastian Kiesel_web_310> @Ahmed Aldabbagh the original design idea was that alto would convey information from the network (topology, ...) to some sort of application overlay, so that better decisions could be made there
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[15:01:59] <Ahmed Aldabbagh_web_927> @sebastian -- kind of bottom up you mean?
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[15:02:39] <Ahmed Aldabbagh_web_927> @Chunshan -- i see
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[15:03:43] <Kai Gao_web_319> @ahmed Also in the ALTO framework, the direction of information flow is from the network to the application. The application can then make decisions based on that information. I believe Use case 1 is mostly showing that some QoS-related metrics collected from the network can help application make better decisions.
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[15:05:04] <Ahmed Aldabbagh_web_927> @kai + Sebastian... that is really helpful, many thanks... and makes sense..
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[15:08:01] <Chunshan Xiong_web_787> Yes, the ALTO Client only requests the network to notify which QoS can be supported instead of continuous reporting the QoS status.
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[15:20:18] <Martin Duke_web_842> did we lose audio?
[15:21:05] <Haizhou Du_web_666> Just silence:)
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[15:24:19] <Philip Eardley_web_112> Caveat - I haven't followed list discussions. I don't think the charter proposal motivates well the re-chartering - can it be clearer about the problem that will be solved?  I also found the presentations were suggesting lots of ideas, I wonder if it would be better to focus on the key one or two?
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[15:27:33] <Martin Duke_web_842> I think pub/sub is indicative of a transition to more dynamic information, which is a concern in its own write
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[15:27:50] <Martin Duke_web_842> s/write/right
[15:28:33] <Ahmed Aldabbagh_web_927> may i ask why it is a concern
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[15:28:59] <Martin Duke_web_842> see my comments about the mic about frequent failures at IETF to incorporate network feedback
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[15:29:45] <Ahmed Aldabbagh_web_927> yes i got that, was thinking there may be other reasons... thanks
[15:29:51] <Martin Duke_web_842> Perhaps we could propose some milestones that correspond to the drafts
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[15:30:35] <Martin Duke_web_842> it was right to focus on the adopted drafts
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[15:35:24] <dhruvdhody> thanks! bye!
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[15:35:28] <Kai Gao_web_319> Thanks, bye!
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[15:35:35] <Jingxuan Zhang_web_462> Thanks everyone!
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