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[13:57:48] <mcr> https://ietf.webex.com/webappng/sites/ietf/meeting/info/159006052846677918?MTID=md8728a7cd7aa263c70a3c712da89f3ee
[13:58:58] <mcr> https://etherpad.ietf.org:9009/p/notes-ietf-interim-2020-ace-06-ace?useMonospaceFont=true
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[14:08:24] kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl has set the subject to: ACE meeting - IETF 106 - https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/materials/agenda-106-ace/
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[14:29:33] <mcr> Jim is losing packets towards me, but Francesca is perfectly clear.
[14:29:50] <mglt> same for me
[14:33:49] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> 80 pages?  Try 600 pages...
[14:34:34] <mglt> nfsv6 ?
[14:35:31] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Oh gosh, NFSv6 would be much more than that.  A factor of 4 expansion,
right?  (draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc5661sesqui-msns is 673 pages.)
[14:36:34] <mglt> that woudl only the diff of course ;-)
[14:41:47] <mcr> maybe this is in fact part of the IETF LC response.
[14:45:05] <mcr> Maybe, we could say that it has to be over a *secured* channel, but not necessarily over the same secure channel that we assume.
[14:46:37] <jimsch1> At that point it might also be the same as being over an unsecure channel - A different channel means it is harder to know it is an update
[14:47:17] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Also, if we have two worked examples for profile documents, any future
new profiles will not have much of an excuse for missing it
[14:48:38] <ob> you will have to examine the access token anyway to check if it is actually an update or just garbage
[14:50:39] <ob> -> the main benefit is that it is easier to find the matching context
[15:06:19] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bormann-core-ace-aif-06 is Carsten's
AIF proposal, if I understand correctly
[15:07:36] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Er, the -07.  Not sure how I ended up with the old link
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[15:27:42] <mcr> ask for that review, even if it's just to be sure that we have explained the problem away.
[15:27:48] <mcr> better now than in IESG review.
[15:29:28] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Is that "ask for the review but don't tell them what we think the
problem is, and see if they spot it"?
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[15:33:27] <jimsch1> The issue is how much discussion is going to be needed to understand the world of CoAP.
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