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[13:58:36] kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl has set the subject to: ACE meeting - IETF 106 - https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/materials/agenda-106-ace/
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[13:59:04] <jimsch1> My machine rebooted in the middle of the night and nothing is running
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[14:00:33] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Oof, unexpected restarts are no fun.
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[14:03:30] <jimsch1> https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-interim-2020-ace-05?useMonospaceFont=true
[14:03:38] <mcr> And next time, could the chairs please put all the links into the agenda?
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[14:05:27] <mcr> Should we challenge ourselves to bubble-sort the bluesheet? :-)
[14:05:47] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> mcr: sounds like a recipe for data loss, to me :)
[14:06:02] <jimsch1> No, the chairs are unwilling to put the etherpad link in the etherpad?
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[14:06:31] <mcr> jimsch1, the agenda, at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-ace-05/materials/agenda-interim-2020-ace-05-ace-01 has *NO* links.
[14:06:31] <mglt> are you hearing me ?
[14:07:17] <mglt> I am not hearing anyone. I will restart the web ex.
[14:08:34] <mcr> LOL.
[14:09:36] <mcr> "Family Business"... . o O ( say, that's a really nice protocol you have there. I wouldn't want anything unfortunate to happen to it... )
[14:10:19] <Ivaylo Petrov> I had to restart my browser a few days ago in order to fix my audio
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[14:11:18] <francesca> mcr: 😂
[14:11:50] <mglt> I am having trouble reconnecting.
[14:11:55] <petereyee> WebEx audio is somewhat borked today.  It just dropped me out from the audio, but left me otherwise connected.  And it didn't recognize that I dialed in the first time even though I could hear everyone.
[14:12:30] <francesca> Daniel: try phone?
[14:13:12] <petereyee> Phone is flaky today too.
[14:14:18] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> I guess Daniel missed the discussion about the Palombinis re "have
seen the note well before"
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[14:14:31] <francesca> Only one of the Palombinis :))
[14:14:43] <Carsten Bormann> Nauseating slides again
[14:20:26] <francesca> slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-ace-05/session/ace
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[14:56:16] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> I haven't read ~anything about MQTT, so both "broker" and "server"
would be equally new to me :)
[14:56:39] <Ivaylo Petrov> +1
[14:57:08] <Ivaylo Petrov> broker is well understood for me
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[14:59:39] <Carsten Bormann> Daniel: Please use page-down to advance
[15:00:08] <jimsch1> If he is not full screen then that does not necessarily help
[15:00:25] <Carsten Bormann> There are two full-screens, you only need one
[15:00:47] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> (the in-chrome one)
[15:03:00] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> t looks like Daniel's chrome is in the proper full-screen state,
though.
[15:03:39] <Carsten Bormann> Yes, so he just needs to page-down
[15:03:59] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> If he's on just his laptop screen he probably can't read the jabber
while presenting, though.
[15:04:03] <Carsten Bormann> Instead of using the scroll-wheel.
[15:04:19] <Carsten Bormann> Right.  There needs to be  chair training on using the PDF viewer in chrome.
[15:04:53] <Carsten Bormann> gid / [ + gid]  vs.  role / [ 2* role]  — find the odd one
[15:04:56] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Wait, the obligatory complaints on wgchairs@ every in-person meeting
don't count s chair training? ;)
[15:05:39] <Carsten Bormann> I had this web page "How to present yourself as an idiot at the projector".  I need to dig this out again…
[15:07:05] <Carsten Bormann> The polite version is at https://trac.ietf.org/trac/wgchairs/wiki/MeetingAV
[15:07:27] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> April1 RFC with pretty SVGs?
[15:07:34] <Carsten Bormann> Note the "Last modified <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/wgchairs/wiki/MeetingAV?action=diff&amp;version=8> 6 years ago <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/wgchairs/timeline?from=2014-07-25T15%3A16%3A34Z&amp;precision=second>"
[15:07:42] <Carsten Bormann> Yes :-)
[15:11:26] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Beautiful!
[15:12:58] <mglt> I am using my laptop so the screen is quite small and I do not keep an eye on the jabber client as it shows a grey square. So feel free to mention things at the mike ;-)
[15:15:39] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> I assume I'm missing something -- if the server associates a key with
the token, and then on the second join says "I've seen this token
before, I also got a PoP for the key, I don't need a new PoP", doesn't
that make the token a bearer token after the first usage?
[15:16:35] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> (Er, that was for Issues #60, to be clear)
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[15:32:42] <mglt> seems noone hears me.
[15:32:57] <jimsch1> no you seem to have lost audio when the share flashed
[15:33:23] <mglt> ok. I wanted to say that ipsec has the soft and hard lifetime.
[15:33:49] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Do you want me to realy it to the mic?
[15:35:00] <mglt> maybe that worth being mentioned.
[15:39:32] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> I guess we had moved on, and we are maybe short on time, so I'm not
sure if I want to go back to it
[15:40:29] <Carsten Bormann> mglt: you can drop out of audio only and reconnect
[15:40:48] <Carsten Bormann> I think Francesca will read this (ipsec) later…
[15:41:04] <mglt> I do not think that necessary. Marco probably saw it.
[15:41:22] <mglt> will try to reconnect after the presentation
[15:43:43] <francesca> ack read it now
[15:49:41] <francesca> ben: I think the scenario was supposed to cover also when the token change in the second join, but the key doesn't...
[15:51:29] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> Hmm, I guess I could see that.  But is it still tied to something
persistent like a TLS connection that can vouch that the entity
providing the new token (with the same key) is the same entity that
provided the first token and PoP?
[15:54:43] <francesca> yes, a second join would happen over a secure connection
[15:54:45] <mcr> The-Object-Formerly-Known-As-Nonce = tofkas.
[15:54:48] <mcr> tofkan
[15:56:45] <francesca> (chairs: 4 minutes left)
[15:57:02] <francesca> (very useful discussion though, thanks)
[15:59:44] <kaduk@jabber.org/barnowl> So the tokfan is kind of like a KDC generation counter?
[16:01:07] <mglt> Thank you bye!
[16:01:09] <Göran> tokfan = crazy devil in Swedish
[16:01:11] <mcr> thank you.
[16:01:15] <Göran> bye
[16:01:16] <jimsch1> THanks
[16:01:31] <jimsch1> daniel do you want to reconnect now?
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[16:02:04] <mglt> yes I will try.
[16:02:25] <jimsch1> I just closed it - soory
[16:04:33] <mglt> no problem! Do you want me to call you on skype
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[16:08:06] <jimsch1> sure
[16:09:50] <jimsch1> My skype nme is Jim.Schaad
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[17:07:06] <mcr> tokfan is a crazy devil. HAHAHAHA.
[17:07:31] <mcr> mglt, don't you have a docking station and second monitor at your home office?  (shouldn't you?)
[17:12:05] <mglt> I have a docking station ( at the office) but unfortunately the docking station does not work with the laptop, so I am never using it. I have a linux desktop I can connect the VGA screen, but not the laptop. I am running webex on the laptop as Webex does not have - unless I missed it - a version that runs on linux.
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[18:07:36] <mcr> Webex runs fine on linux, if you use the webrtc version.  That's why I tell everyone to use the webrtc version.  That way you aren't doing anything that everyone else can't also do.
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