[08:15:50] ilari.liusvaara joins the room [08:24:40] renzoe joins the room [08:25:02] renzoe leaves the room [08:26:16] renzoe joins the room [08:26:28] bortzmeyer joins the room [08:54:16] Steve Olshansky joins the room [09:04:04] resnick joins the room [09:04:14] Barry Leiba joins the room [09:08:41] sarikaya2012 joins the room [09:09:12] Olle E. Johansson, at the IETF #89 meeting in London, UK joins the room [09:09:22] Good morning [09:09:34] Olle E. Johansson, at the IETF #89 meeting in London, UK leaves the room [09:09:39] Olafur Gudmundsson joins the room [09:09:39] Olle E. Johansson, at the IETF #89 meeting in London, UK joins the room [09:09:58] First presentation - Constrained Node Network - Carsten Bormann [09:10:06] Olle E. Johansson, at the IETF #89 meeting in London, UK is now known as oej [09:10:20] Do we have remote participation in this room? [09:10:22] steffi joins the room [09:10:37] Good Morning. can we access the slides? [09:11:28] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/89/slides/slides-89-ace-2.pdf [09:11:39] Slide # 3 - Scale up [09:11:47] Slide #4 - Scale down [09:12:28] Slide #5 [09:12:37] (thank you) [09:12:44] np [09:13:00] Slide #6 I believe [09:13:21] Slide #8 [09:15:10] Slide #10 [09:16:45] Sorry, slide number appear randomly on slides [09:16:53] Slide #12 - Constrained networks [09:17:50] Frame size of 100 bytes… Feels like old days. [09:18:16] Slide #13 - please re-calibrate your complexity meters [09:18:25] State is always expensive :-) [09:18:50] Slide #14 - Energy consumption on TelosB [09:19:59] Slide #15 - constrained node networks [09:20:06] Ines Robles joins the room [09:20:07] Slide #16 - Constrained Node Network cluster [09:20:12] sean.turner@jabber.psg.com joins the room [09:20:20] sean.turner@jabber.psg.com leaves the room [09:21:07] ð formerly known as sean an AD joins the room [09:22:03] Slide #18 - X [09:22:08] hartmans joins the room [09:22:20] Slide #19 [09:22:26] Slide #20 - CoAP [09:23:49] Adam Bishop joins the room [09:24:24] 21 slides until we get to something on-topic. :-/ [09:24:46] Slide #24 - Security is not optional [09:25:39] meadmaker joins the room [09:26:41] Dan Wing joins the room [09:27:00] Slide #26 - SOLACE [09:27:04] Ralf Drums speaking [09:27:12] Ralph Droms [09:27:17] (Sorry if I don't get the spelling or the names correct) [09:27:22] ;) [09:27:22] Thanks resnick [09:27:35] Sean Turner is next [09:28:03] Sean Turner at mic [09:30:01] Tim Carey [09:30:37] Margaret Wasserman [09:31:50] "We are an IP oriented organisation here" - right, we are. [09:31:50] st: +10000 to Margaret [09:31:56] hosnieh joins the room [09:32:02] Could anyone give me the link to the slides? [09:32:15] Who takes note on the +++ ? :-) [09:32:24] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/89/materials.html [09:32:36] hartmans is surprised the meeting materials ]link disappeared from http://www.ietf.org/meeting/89/ [09:32:41] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/89/slides/slides-89-ace-3.pdf [09:32:43] applications area -> ACE [09:32:43] bortzmeyer leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [09:32:43] bortzmeyer joins the room [09:32:55] Thank you! [09:32:57] Ludwig Seitz - ACE use cases [09:33:14] Slide X - Use case topics [09:33:32] took me a few minutes to find it - as hartmans noted, its not linked on the agenda [09:34:09] Slide Y: Example: Container montoring [09:34:23] Slide X2: Resourcs and stakeholders [09:35:37] objective: Malory wants the banana Alice is giving bob [09:36:09] :-) [09:36:19] Steve Olshansky leaves the room [09:36:37] Alice wants to know if the Banana is organic before accepting Bobs offer. We do need SDP offer answer here. [09:36:53] Slide Z: Requirements motivation [09:37:45] Slide: Requirements motivation ctd [09:38:02] (the one with a truck almost falling on it's side) [09:38:31] Slide: Container monitoring [09:38:33] You waint a container federation on the ship or truck? [09:38:37] rather want [09:38:55] Right. SAML2 over 100 bytes and off line mode. ;-) [09:39:09] I wasn't thinking SAML2 so much. [09:39:18] Slide: Requirements from this use case [09:39:21] Just trying to understand the usecase [09:39:41] I am worried about the phrase "Spontaneous updates" [09:39:51] Slide: Rrequirements from this use case [09:40:39] If you need relay to the microphone, please prefix your statement with "relay" - also please give your full name. Please note that the Note Well applies to remote participation too. [09:41:08] Max from Cisco [09:41:19] I'm a few rows back from the mic and will get in line if needed, tnx. But the comment is generally applicable [09:41:23] Olafur Gudmundsson leaves the room [09:41:23] Olafur Gudmundsson joins the room [09:41:43] In mic line: Barry Leiba, Kerry Lynn [09:41:52] Barry Leiba leaves the room [09:42:19] Steve Olshansky joins the room [09:43:38] That was Michael Richardson. [09:44:12] Bob Moskowitz in line [09:44:52] this is pretty much close to what we plan to do in secauth mailinglist [09:45:47] Bob speaking [09:45:57] Next up Torsten Lodderstedt [09:46:18] After that Yusuke Doi - trying to read badges [09:46:57] @oej - doing a great job [09:47:07] ask that folks state their names [09:47:42] State their names slowly and CLEARLY. ;-) [09:47:51] Yusuke [09:48:02] Robert Craige next [09:48:14] Barry Leiba joins the room [09:48:22] Thanks Sean :-) [09:49:09] We need a flowchart here - "If the bananas are rotten"…. [09:50:04] mcr joins the room [09:50:25] "half on line" - Torsten [09:50:49] on line to , but maybe not the full network or the Internet [09:51:09] Next presentation - Göran Selander - Authorization Architecture sketches [09:51:47] Covering three drafts [09:52:10] (now is the time to wake up - we are approaching the Authorization topic) :-) [09:52:18] Slide: Architecture sketch [09:52:35] Steve Olshansky leaves the room [09:52:37] mcr challenges oej to provide proper authorization for "wake up" order. [09:53:12] Oh dear, I did write down the password somewhere… Was it "secret" or "fido"? [09:53:21] slide: architecture sketch [09:53:56] This seems to be heavily inspired by Oauth2 et al. [09:53:58] sftcd joins the room [09:53:59] mcr sends oej nonce that he can use to hash the password. No more fishing. [09:54:30] oej sends mcr digest based on the Cfrog algorithm [09:54:47] Slide: Information flow: authorization info [09:55:02] mcr digestion returns ETOOMUCHBEER. [09:55:37] Arrgghh. Failed to provide wake-up service to mcr. [09:56:13] gotofail [09:56:15] mcr returns to grouchy mode. (grouchy nodes are like sleepy nodes, but they still transmit) [09:56:17] Slide: Information flow: resource access [09:56:38] Hmm. Are we to consider mcr half-online? [09:57:03] is mcr a dtn? [09:57:52] Slide: alternative information flow [09:58:12] slide: Cross domain [09:58:30] Or what we normally call "federation" [09:58:57] slide: Design considerations [09:59:51] Did someone mention ROT13? [10:01:25] Olafur Gudmundsson leaves the room [10:01:41] Kerry Lynn at mic [10:01:50] Max pritikin in line [10:02:05] Kerry: Are we considering a multiprotocol solution? [10:02:12] Steve Olshansky joins the room [10:02:26] A good question. And he mentioned the "M" word - Middleboxes [10:03:02] another good question: clocks? [10:03:12] Yes. Timing is critical. [10:03:19] Carsten speaking [10:03:24] and the date is 1970-01-01 [10:03:36] always. [10:03:45] http://www.sandelman.ca/SSW/ietf/rfc-3rot13.txt [10:03:52] Let's avoid discussing time zones [10:03:56] Kathleen Moriarty joins the room [10:04:09] And all go to the Greenwich observatory and jump on the time line. [10:04:14] ?? speaking [10:04:22] Dave Brown? [10:05:00] Barry Leiba leaves the room [10:05:43] Dave Robin speaking [10:06:11] "It gets very complicated and very big" - Dave Robin [10:06:30] Next Hannes Tschofenig - Gap Analysis [10:06:44] Slides Gap Analysis [10:07:23] slide: Goal of this Presentation. [10:07:32] Hannes should really know better - no slide numbers!!! [10:07:36] Tsss tss. [10:07:43] slide: Non-Goals [10:07:55] Slide: Tutorials [10:08:01] Dan York joins the room [10:08:21] Slide: ABFAB [10:08:29] Hi Dan! [10:09:31] Actually, there are some cool things you can do even when the authorization server 1)( does not exist or 2) is constrained [10:09:31] Slide: Gaps [10:10:38] Or for example when the authorization server comes with the authorized party... In the building bring-up case as an example. [10:10:46] Slide: Kerberos [10:11:36] Slide: Gaps [10:12:34] Slide: OAuth [10:12:47] Slide: Gaps [10:12:51] Ralph droms joins the room [10:13:06] ed_beroset joins the room [10:13:06] ed_beroset leaves the room [10:13:32] Olafur Gudmundsson joins the room [10:13:33] Can we redirect a lock to a web page that requires a hardware token to authorize? [10:14:09] Slide: PKI/Certificate model [10:14:19] Using short lived certificates [10:14:43] Andrew Sullivan joins the room [10:14:57] Slide: Gaps [10:15:13] wseltzer joins the room [10:15:40] okay so now a transport agnostic protocol is a bad thing? [10:15:50] Slide: Conclusion [10:15:55] r/protocol/format [10:16:28] Sean, no but you do need the transport binding [10:16:46] Ralph Drums [10:16:58] ed_beroset joins the room [10:17:05] @sam agreed [10:17:08] if the need is just for a venue, then a mailing list would be fine and a wg is not needed? [10:17:32] Ralph++ [10:17:52] O, oops.. Ralph-=infinity [10:18:12] Counter segmentation fault. [10:18:13] cabo joins the room [10:18:25] Which is to say I agree with considering the entire life cycle in the process and gaps but do not agree with the rest. [10:18:29] Lionel Morand at mic - waiting [10:18:36] Andrew Sullivan leaves the room [10:18:36] wseltzer leaves the room [10:18:36] ed_beroset leaves the room [10:18:36] cabo leaves the room [10:18:38] In the front mic - Justin ??? [10:18:58] Lionel speaking [10:19:09] metricamerica joins the room [10:19:10] metricamerica leaves the room [10:19:21] Carsten Bormann joins the room [10:19:38] metricamerica joins the room [10:20:06] Justin Richard (??) speaking [10:20:11] Sam - what "rest of what I said" do you disagree with? [10:20:34] Samita Chakrabarti in line [10:20:39] ZigBee IP spec for consideration: http://www.zigbee.org/Specifications/ZigBeeIP/Download.aspx [10:21:03] Zigbee Ip might be where I'd start. [10:21:12] "This is just Kerberos but webbish" - Justin [10:21:33] I suggested it might be ZigBee-IP might be a place to see what other work has been done in the area. [10:21:35] "I would like to encourage people to not just hit the problem with your favourite hammer" - Justin [10:22:13] Sam Hartman in the mic line [10:22:34] Mohsen Soussi in line after Sam [10:22:41] Samita still speaking [10:23:12] @ralph & sam: yep [10:23:20] Sam hartman speaking [10:23:58] rcross joins the room [10:24:31] Dan York leaves the room [10:24:44] Dan York joins the room [10:25:07] ed_beroset joins the room [10:25:38] "there is a huge amount of value in reuse" - Sam [10:26:11] +1 to what sam about reuse [10:26:11] monkz joins the room [10:26:36] Zach shelby after Mohsen (who is speaking now) [10:26:36] what sam said - need coffee [10:26:44] Dave Thaler joins the room [10:27:23] Robert Craige after Zach [10:27:59] "the most interesting use cases are the ones we haven't thought about yet" - Hannes [10:28:09] Adam Bishop leaves the room [10:29:23] Zach speaking [10:29:32] Dave Thaler leaves the room [10:29:54] "This is the web, don't fool yourself" - Zach [10:30:12] "This stuff talks to bigger things" - Zach [10:31:32] rcross leaves the room [10:31:38] Michael Richardsson after Robert [10:31:52] "This is absolutely in the wrong area of the IETF" - Zach [10:32:19] how about RTG area instead? [10:32:24] :-) [10:32:39] I'd prefer that. [10:32:42] RAI ?? It's about realtime… Let's head into the SDP wars. [10:32:54] Four people in the mic line [10:33:55] Michael Richardsson speaking [10:34:13] area is not to be debated [10:34:22] "Maybe there is a new area needed" - Michael [10:34:27] lets do it the cloud [10:34:37] We have queue reordering [10:34:46] Barry is next. [10:34:48] Barry AD interrupt [10:35:03] Maybe the number of dots on the badge gives a higher priority… ;-) [10:35:44] can I merge my work with this group :D [10:35:45] which area isn't a topic of discussion of the wg [10:36:07] Bob Moskowitz next [10:36:23] Zach Shelby coming up next. [10:36:24] sftcd is now tempted to goto mic and discuss areas [10:36:52] You are not authorized. No mic ticket approved. [10:37:17] The queue is growing again [10:37:42] What are we doing during this part of the meeting? [10:37:56] wseltzer joins the room [10:38:00] That's a good question Sam. [10:38:15] William Mills coming up next [10:38:29] "We are already in a REST world" - Zach [10:39:01] Bill Mills speaking [10:39:04] hannes put up a big list of drafts, how many incompatible approaches do those describe? And is there a reasonable probability of agreeing one? [10:39:44] Well, isn't that a reason why we need a wg? Today's question is not about choosing a winner, right? [10:40:21] @oej: are you saying the drafts cover *all* the technologies mentioned? [10:40:39] Not at all, but that list indicates that there's a lot of work ahead. [10:41:15] sftcd would like to understand probability this crowd of folks will agree [10:41:23] My take on a BOF is to ask ourselves - "Do we need to do some work in this area?" not "Do we have a solution that we like and agree on" [10:41:34] ed_beroset leaves the room [10:41:37] Dan Wing leaves the room [10:41:39] sftcd: That's a good question too. [10:41:56] Derek Atkins in line. [10:41:58] @oej: I guess we need [10:42:05] ed_beroset joins the room [10:42:07] Sam Hartman after Derek [10:42:16] but how to handle it is important [10:42:21] :) [10:42:34] ??? speaking (forgot his name) [10:42:43] Derek Atkins speaking in a sec. [10:42:49] Hannes answering [10:43:05] — Cut the line -- [10:43:37] Derek brings up the bootstrapping problem [10:43:47] Tr169 anyone ? [10:43:50] oej ducks [10:44:12] We have had that problem in SIP for a long time. [10:44:29] "I personally try to avoid the bootstrapping" - Hannes [10:44:53] ed_beroset leaves the room [10:45:09] ed_beroset joins the room [10:45:14] Sam, Michael Richardsson and Carsten in line [10:45:15] heh. "That problem is hard, therefore I rule it out of scope." :-) [10:45:16] satoru.kanno@jabber.org joins the room [10:45:24] resnick :-) [10:45:25] :) [10:45:48] zach shelby jumping in [10:46:13] and there's netconf who're starting on a thing called zeroconf [10:46:30] Leif Johansson standing up - we are breaking the cut in line [10:47:01] Ralph speaking [10:47:10] Back to Sam who has been patiently waiting [10:47:46] or maybe zerotouch (some marketing term) [10:48:06] Cloud-based Zerotouch sounds way cool. [10:49:14] Reminder: If you need a relay to the room (if you are remote) please prefix your statement with "relay:" [10:50:39] Michael Richardsson again [10:51:46] Dan Wing joins the room [10:52:10] Carsten [10:52:51] (scribe taking a bio break - can someone jump in for a while?) [10:53:29] sftcd: I don't care if we agree *one*. I care that we spend work where it will be useful. If we have two approaches that are both useful then that's OK in my values. [10:53:41] zac++ [10:54:20] @sam: sure two is fine, but spending years not agreeing which of 5 options to pick doesn't seem like a good plan (if that's the case) [10:54:45] btw: nobody told me how many different approaches are really in play here and I don't know [10:54:59] I don't think Kerberos is in place. [10:55:04] rather play. [10:55:07] I kind of hope not at least. [10:55:15] @sam: thanks [10:55:55] meadmaker leaves the room: Disconnected: connection closed [10:56:05] I think ABFAB (although quite possibly not gss-eap) is a good fit; I need to figure out whether anyone would use it before I'd figure out if spending energy on it would be good. [10:56:18] @sftcd: That number is hard to derive, the approaches are likely to merge. [10:56:20] I'm sure oauth is in play [10:56:52] i could think of DCAF [10:57:06] But that work needs to be done, and we need a venue that provides the motivation to do it [10:57:31] They are going to merge with p = 1, but the number remaining after merging may be > 1 [10:57:42] carsten: I do not buy the "need a venue" argument, there's a list, there are many WGs in the ietf already related [10:58:09] Yes. Why should people expend the effort to do this work if it is still in the air whether it will happen? [10:58:16] That's not the way to get industry input. [10:58:42] Slide: Charter: Tasks [10:58:49] Sam to the mic [10:59:35] Hannes speaking [10:59:42] Sam speaking [10:59:52] @carsten: we disagree there (which is fine); forming a WG as a way to get input doesn't seem like a good plan unless that's the only chartered thing [10:59:52] Justin next [11:00:02] +1 to sam [11:00:18] That is not the goal, but a prerequisite [11:00:51] The IETF is a unreliable platform to get work done. I can't convince people to join here if we can't even form a WG around this obvious requirement. [11:01:30] Justin speaking. Leif johansson and Wendy Selzer in line [11:02:10] +1 to justin [11:02:47] The room is packed - a lot of interest [11:02:54] sftcd: Agreed. I don't think forming a wg is useful unless we know we want a solution. [11:03:07] Leif Johansson speaking [11:03:32] Leif++ [11:04:16] I think scoping here is important and I like Sam's constraint so that we don't boil oceans [11:04:33] @carsten : unfortunately it is like a politics in the world [11:05:01] @hosnieh: We are not the ITU, we tend to do sensible things here. [11:05:08] One question here: do we permit new security protocols? Or do we want to focus on profiling existing? or do we need to discuss more [11:05:12] I think we need to discuss more. [11:05:25] do we need to recharter once that discussion ii finished or do we trust the wg? [11:05:37] "dancing around the issue is just a waste of time" - Leif [11:05:52] What an odd surname Wendy has. [11:05:54] The line is growing [11:05:57] @carsten: yes true, but actually it is not as people outside think [11:06:04] ;) [11:06:04] Zach speaking again [11:06:12] Kerry Lynn coming up next [11:06:24] @carsten, if people don't know you not easy to find supporters. more is like social networking is important in IETF :-) [11:06:38] wseltzer joins the room [11:06:57] We are still on the "Charter: Tasks" slide [11:06:59] @carsten probably you have more experience than mine, but this is my experience during the time I started participating in IETF :-) [11:07:17] Olaf ? speaking [11:07:41] hosnieh: I like to think you can teach people to present their ideas in a way taht gets support... However it's impossible to measure because that process tends to involve gaining social connections. [11:07:51] Zach speaking again [11:07:52] @hosineh: when only one person wants something yes they do (and should) have a hard time getting the ietf to work on their thing [11:08:08] Barry approaching the chairs whispering something… [11:08:27] barry drinking water... [11:08:45] — Cut the mike lines — [11:09:03] Cary Lynn [11:09:05] @sftcd: well, the problem is not that actually. The problem is that IETF is not open to ideas of new people. If an old IETFers says something, it is less question over it [11:09:15] Time carey next in line [11:09:19] Strongly agreed. [11:09:50] That was Kerry Lynn [11:10:01] Carsten next [11:10:13] @hosnieh: Agreed that is 1) true and 2) concerning [11:10:29] After Carsten Rajeev Koodli [11:10:38] The Max Pritman [11:10:42] then max [11:10:45] Carsten speaking now [11:11:24] Carsten commening on what goes on here in the XMPP chat [11:11:26] sarikaya2012 leaves the room [11:11:47] @sam: disagree, see http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pironti-tls-length-hiding-02 [11:13:34] Rajeev speeking [11:13:39] speaking [11:14:36] resnick leaves the room [11:14:41] Dan Wing leaves the room [11:15:17] wseltzer leaves the room [11:15:54] Dan Wing joins the room [11:16:18] THe chairs will soon ask questions to the audience. Stay tuned. If you are remote, you are involved too. [11:17:27] ed_beroset leaves the room [11:17:29] Slide: An important question [11:17:39] a) Is this a topic that the IETF SHOULD try to address? [11:17:52] b) Is this a topic the IETF should NOT try to address? [11:18:03] Hum requested on a [11:18:06] sftcd: my claim is that I've seen many situations where newcomers have had significantly more difficulty getting ideas reviewed [11:18:12] ed_beroset joins the room [11:18:14] Hum requested on b [11:18:16] relay: *hum* [11:18:19] I understand and respect we're not in agreement on the importance of that concern [11:18:28] Strong in favour for "a" according to Hannes [11:18:50] Ralph Drums spoke [11:18:52] Hannes now [11:19:20] monkz leaves the room [11:19:35] The line is growing again [11:19:40] Kerry Lynn next [11:19:56] Anders joins the room [11:20:20] Anders is now known as Anders Brandt [11:21:00] Max Pritikin next [11:21:06] Then Dave Robin [11:21:24] The AD asked us to keep the line short. [11:21:27] Hannes speaking [11:23:02] Should we focus the charter on DTLS and COAP? asks Hannes [11:23:09] Really hard hum [11:23:22] Barry as AD speaking [11:23:25] Dave Robin speaking [11:24:26] "I dont necessarily need an encrypted channel" - Dave Robin [11:24:32] Margaret Wasserman coming up [11:24:45] Leif Johansson at mic next [11:25:14] meadmaker joins the room [11:25:55] "Do you wanna come up here and disagree with me" - Margaret [11:25:58] Leif speaking [11:26:15] Slide: Engagment [11:26:21] a) How many are willing to review [11:26:29] b) How many are interested to work on documents? [11:26:40] Hannes asking. [11:26:46] I do [11:27:01] If you constrain to DTLS then it affects how you handle integrity and how you make sure that the authentication is tied to the authenticated messages [11:27:13] Question b - willing to work on documents [11:27:15] I do [11:27:35] it really is revenge of oauth 1.0 [11:27:37] Barry as AD speaking [11:28:03] Steve Olshansky leaves the room [11:28:40] Stephen Farrell speaking [11:29:00] Kathleen Moriarty leaves the room [11:29:32] Kathleen Moriarity at mic [11:29:33] hartmans leaves the room: Disconnected: session closed [11:29:50] Anders Brandt leaves the room [11:29:52] sftcd leaves the room [11:29:53] Ralph droms leaves the room [11:29:54] And with that - we're done! Thank you everyone! [11:30:02] steffi leaves the room [11:30:10] ed_beroset leaves the room [11:30:12] oej leaves the room [11:30:16] Olafur Gudmundsson leaves the room [11:30:24] thank you oej! 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