6tisch - Thursday, November 5, 2015

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Thursday, November 5, 2015< ^ >

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[06:13:59] <Thomas Watteyne> test
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[06:16:39] <Xavier Vilajosana> hello!
[06:16:44] <Xavier Vilajosana> I am here!
[06:16:58] <Xavier Vilajosana> everything fine.. lot of noise though...
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[06:17:56] <Lorenzo Miniero> Xavier yep, it's background noise
[06:18:00] <Lorenzo Miniero> it will get better later :)
[06:18:08] <Xavier Vilajosana> good!
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[06:26:34] <Thomas Watteyne> Thanks!
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[06:27:43] <Robert Cragie> Pascal presents on rechartering
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[06:29:58] <Thomas Watteyne> let us know if the microphone level is OK
[06:30:08] <Xavier Vilajosana> perfect from my side
[06:32:25] <Thomas Watteyne_2714> Thanks
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[06:33:56] <Thomas Watteyne> @Meetecho, next presenter [Xavi Vilajosana] is remote. All OK to switch to him?
[06:34:03] <Meetecho> yep!
[06:34:06] <Thomas Watteyne> thanks!
[06:34:21] <Xavier Vilajosana> should i turn on the camera?
[06:35:09] <Lorenzo Miniero> as soon as the chairs give permission, we'll show you on the second screen as well
[06:35:20] <Xavier Vilajosana> perfect
[06:36:25] <mcr> i can not find slides...? remote non-meetecho people need slides....
[06:37:06] <Xavier Vilajosana> Consolidated slides are here: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/slides/slides-94-6tisch-0.pdf (subject to last minute minor updates)
[06:38:13] <mcr> I couldn't find a link in the agenda...
[06:38:34] <Xavier Vilajosana> pascal sent an email 8h ago
[06:41:53] <Meetecho> (fixing speaker video)
[06:42:02] <mcr> Operational and Deployment Considerations for 6tisch networks
[06:42:35] <mcr> Xavier, so uploading to datatracker is best... It looks like it was uploaded, so maybe something else broke.
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[06:44:21] <Thomas Watteyne_2714> agenda https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/94/agenda/6tisch/
[06:44:38] <Thomas Watteyne_2714> (has been published a while ago)
[06:44:40] <Brian Haberman> For posterity, I recommended calling the deliverable a Operational/Deployment Considerations document.
[06:44:48] <Brian Haberman> It would be an Informational document.
[06:45:27] <Robert Cragie> Doesn't the minimal draft sort of do that?
[06:45:59] <Brian Haberman> @Robert : My suggested document?
[06:46:07] <Robert Cragie> Yes
[06:46:36] <Brian Haberman> I assumed that the document I described would go beyond the minimal as other specs/functions are developed.
[06:46:47] <Robert Cragie> It seems to me that Pascal really does mean test specifications, probably based on the minimal configuration
[06:47:10] <Robert Cragie> @Brian, OK that makes sense to extend in that way
[06:47:11] <Xavier Vilajosana> I agree there are knobs we do not know now
[06:47:33] <Brian Haberman> Test specifications are well out-of-scope for publication within the IETF.
[06:47:53] <Robert Cragie> @Brian: Agree
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[06:59:04] <Malisa Vucinic> MIC: Profile of DTLS for constrained devices is Standards Track document.
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[07:00:42] <Thomas Watteyne_2714> ~10s delay
[07:00:48] <Thomas Watteyne_2714> on the slide changes
[07:02:29] <Thomas Watteyne_2714> @Meetecho, next presenter [Maria Rita Palattella] is remote. All OK to switch to her?
[07:02:41] <Thomas Watteyne_2714> in ~10min
[07:02:42] <Maria Rita Palattella> I am here
[07:02:46] <Lorenzo Miniero> (y)
[07:02:52] <Thomas Watteyne_2714> :-)
[07:06:29] <Robert Cragie> @Malisa - sorry missed your request, will relay after Xavi.
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[07:08:28] <Thomas Watteyne_2714> @Malisa, Robert was at the mic when you sent your message, so we didn't relay
[07:08:37] <Thomas Watteyne_2714> I will indicate this in AOB
[07:08:55] <Malisa Vucinic_1534> @Robert, no worries, seems the discussion is over
[07:09:11] <Robert Cragie> @Malisa: DTLS profile for constrained devices is not aimed at interoperability though, which to me is the intention of 6tisch minimal. It is there to show that (D)TLS "is reasonably implementable on many constrained devices"
[07:09:43] <Thomas Watteyne_2714> but that makes it looks even more as an Information
[07:09:53] <Thomas Watteyne_2714> *Informational
[07:09:56] <Malisa Vucinic_1534> I agree..
[07:10:21] <mcr> slide 31
[07:10:35] <Robert Cragie> Me too. I don't know why dice-profile is standards track but probably not for this discussion
[07:10:59] <Thomas Watteyne_2714> OK, makes sense
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[07:21:26] <Maria Rita Palattella> Maybe the points about SF should be addressed in SF0 draft. we can discuss and synch
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[07:23:09] <Robert Cragie> @Maria: Do you want that at the mic?
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[07:23:21] <Maria Rita Palattella> no need.thanks
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[07:48:57] <Robert Cragie> Regarding earlier conversation - maybe ETSI should be the organisation to write the test specifications?
[07:49:37] <mcr> "hosted by INRIA" --- does that mean it will be on the campus of INRIA?
[07:49:53] <Robert Cragie> Or at least the work should be done by the usual suspects in the guise of ETSI?
[07:50:14] <mcr> 23 Avenue d'Italie, 75013 Paris, France
[07:50:26] <mcr> Thomas... there?
[07:52:31] <Robert Cragie> Looks like they are already writing the test specifications, so maybe that clears up the earlier point
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