[00:06:55] Nicolas Riou joins the room [00:09:48] Nicolas Riou leaves the room [01:13:42] gregdavies joins the room [01:14:06] gregdavies leaves the room [01:21:50] Nicolas Riou joins the room [01:22:09] Nicolas Riou leaves the room [03:56:52] Pascal Thubert joins the room [03:56:53] dlohman joins the room [04:02:14] Ulrich Herberg joins the room [04:02:43] I'll be the relay for jabber [04:03:15] Thanks Ulrich [04:03:19] ShoichiSakane joins the room [04:04:00] yuichi igarashi joins the room [04:04:22] mtgstuber joins the room [04:05:08] yoshihiro joins the room [04:05:21] yuichi igarashi leaves the room: Computer went to sleep [04:06:19] shamus joins the room [04:06:47] is the scribe already here? [04:08:17] thomas.heide.clausen@gmail.com joins the room [04:11:35] yuichi igarashi joins the room [04:16:26] could maybe someone take over the scribe until David Culler connects? [04:17:26] rababy joins the room [04:20:33] Pascal Thubert leaves the room [04:21:00] yuichi igarashi leaves the room [04:24:14] Trying to follow audio on remote here, is there a scribe who can point out presentations, slide #s etc? [04:24:31] Pascal Thubert joins the room [04:25:03] it should be David Culler [04:25:12] as far as I understood... I am the relay [04:25:24] Ok, could you relay a request for scribe? [04:25:28] yes [04:25:31] tnx [04:26:51] We're on slide 3 [04:26:54] I can hear audio, but would like to know which slide we are on and in which presentation. [04:26:56] Thanks ;) [04:26:58] "why SNMP" [04:27:07] sure, I can do that. [04:27:23] 4 [04:27:29] thanks :-) [04:28:04] 5: Proxies [04:28:48] 6: SNMP on 6LowPANS [04:29:16] 7: SNMP fits [04:30:08] iwao joins the room [04:30:10] Question when time comes: I know that ROLL and (some) MANET deployments are or may be looking for "lightweight management" as well. Are there thoughts on coordinating in this space? [04:30:49] I was about to ask the same question ;-) [04:30:58] Save this for proper question time, or interject now? [04:31:08] I will wait until the end of the talk, yes [04:31:12] k [04:31:21] Would imagine that 6low sets a sort of "upper boundary" on what SNMP *can* contain, maybe worth looking if that's expressive enough for what ROLL and MANET may need? [04:31:29] 8: Agent [04:32:23] matt.anderson joins the room [04:32:47] 9: Tradeoff [04:33:02] 10: Manager Considerations [04:34:21] 11: Deployment [04:35:36] 12: Applicable MIBs [04:35:58] 13: DTLS [04:36:39] 14: conclusion [04:37:25] On the same token as previous question, is this intended as a WG doc in 6low or elsewhere? [04:38:06] paul.erkkila joins the room [04:38:16] Can't hear what is being said [04:39:05] yoshihiro leaves the room [04:40:41] YES, it is exactly what Carsten is saying. At the ROLL interim, Adrian raised the question as to if the "managed entity" in ROLL is a "device" or a "network".... [04:41:39] shall I still ask this? [04:41:51] please do [04:41:55] yep [04:42:05] It's more a comment than a question, though. [04:42:14] k [04:42:22] matt.anderson leaves the room [04:43:06] yuichi igarashi joins the room [04:46:05] matt.anderson joins the room [04:46:31] That applies as well in 6low, for 6low devices. [04:47:18] Disregard the ROLL comment, and read : ....if the managed entity in 6low is a "device" or a "network" (as a collection of devices). [04:47:41] IOW, shall each 6low device run SNMP [04:47:59] ok [04:48:27] Well, that depends.... [04:48:58] A model that we have discussed (out-of-band) has been a "light-weight" status-gathering operation inside a LLN [04:49:17] And with e.g. a border router or some such thing aggregating and presenting an SNMP interface. [04:49:43] SNMP agents are not light-weight, in the context of a "low power device" or "sensor device"...? [04:50:10] +1 to what Carsten says wrt. not wanting really small devices to run lots and heavy apps. [04:54:59] DTHALER-WIN7 joins the room [04:58:43] Slide 38 [04:58:46] Of all things [04:59:08] 39 [04:59:40] paul.erkkila leaves the room [05:02:50] 40: current status [05:04:48] 41 [05:06:02] 42 [05:07:24] 43 [05:07:56] mcharlesr joins the room [05:10:28] 44: recent issues [05:10:43] thomas.heide.clausen@gmail.com leaves the room [05:13:23] another reason is to use the registration as a SAVI precursor even on ethernet [05:13:46] also compatible with 3122 for NBMA [05:14:46] thomas.heide.clausen@gmail.com joins the room [05:16:22] we took great care thinking NBMA in general [05:16:24] 45: Next steos [05:16:29] oops steps [05:16:31] as opposed to 6lowpan only [05:18:24] 46 [05:18:36] back to 45 [05:19:25] yuichi igarashi leaves the room: Computer went to sleep [05:22:43] Currently there is a copy of 4861 on screen [05:25:14] 2nd paragraph of section 1 is highlighted [05:27:26] ꈲ joins the room [05:28:35] iwao leaves the room: Replaced by new connection [05:28:39] iwao joins the room [05:29:29] Address uniqueness is a pillar for IPv6. We have been very careful to always verify that even if optimistically. I suggest you ask for the blessing of 6MAN before changing that and I suspect you will not get it. [05:30:06] We are also possibly a mechanism that is of interest for other links for a number of reasons. [05:30:29] there is a little line in front of the mic :-) [05:33:03] 6MAN? [05:33:22] A recent BOF, unless I am mistaken. [05:33:37] ah, thanks [05:33:45] maybe even wg http://tools.ietf.org/wg/6man/ [05:34:35] That's the IPv6 Maintenance [05:34:43] thanks [05:34:46] Oh, definitely WG, I was thinking 6app (which was this morning) -- gotta change the naming-of-wg-by-6 as it is confusing ;) [05:35:39] (s/this morning/yesterday afternoon/) [05:42:52] Pascal, i did not forget your comment... still in the line ;-) [05:45:25] (Sorry Pascal, for jumping in front of you) [05:46:08] and sorry for me, my laptop is heavy :-p [05:46:43] Well, you need the exercise, Uli - besides, you asked for a MBP not a MBA, so not my fault! :) [05:50:50] 4862 section 5.4 is now on screen [05:51:44] iwao leaves the room [05:54:06] layer violation! [05:55:19] shamus leaves the room [05:56:00] that would be true for any ethernet then [05:57:41] rababy leaves the room [05:58:23] shall I skip (or modify) this comment? the discussion went on... [06:01:15] "This document" refers to 4862 [06:01:25] (which continues to be up screen) [06:03:42] Thomas was referring to Carlos Bernardos [06:04:14] the draft is http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bernardos-manet-autoconf-survey-04 [06:05:29] Thanks Ulrich. 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